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Thread: When Everything Is Fake - Is It A Crime???

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    When Everything Is Fake - Is It A Crime???

    BBC News - Webcam sex with fake girl Sweetie leads to sentence

    A man in Australia is believed to be the first to have been convicted as the result of an undercover sting in which charity workers posed online as a 10-year-old Filipina.

    Details of 1,000 men who contacted the fake child, nicknamed Sweetie, were sent to police around the world
    The men had requested Sweetie perform sex acts in front of a webcam for cash.
    So this is taking the "To Catch A Predator" thing to the next level.

    I'm not sure exactly how I feel about this. Obviously there's a lot that's wrong and punishable, but at what point is all this a crime and at what point is it entrapment?

    Everything is done online. There's no child. It's all fake.

    The flip side is obviously some of these guys are truly sick.

    Do you support this kind of police activity and prosecution?

    I know some people thought the "To Catch A Predator" show was going too far.

    Is this going too far?

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    Re: When Everything Is Fake - Is It A Crime???

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    BBC News - Webcam sex with fake girl Sweetie leads to sentence



    So this is taking the "To Catch A Predator" thing to the next level.

    I'm not sure exactly how I feel about this. Obviously there's a lot that's wrong and punishable, but at what point is all this a crime and at what point is it entrapment?

    Everything is done online. There's no child. It's all fake.

    The flip side is obviously some of these guys are truly sick.

    Do you support this kind of police activity and prosecution?

    I know some people thought the "To Catch A Predator" show was going too far.

    Is this going too far?
    I don't think that soliciting sex (or sending explicit photos or whatever else these guys did) from a fake child should itself be a crime. But it should certainly be enough to get a search warrant to check out the guy's computer, and I'm guessing you'd find plenty of evidence of real crimes on there.
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    Re: When Everything Is Fake - Is It A Crime???

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    BBC News - Webcam sex with fake girl Sweetie leads to sentence



    So this is taking the "To Catch A Predator" thing to the next level.

    I'm not sure exactly how I feel about this. Obviously there's a lot that's wrong and punishable, but at what point is all this a crime and at what point is it entrapment?

    Everything is done online. There's no child. It's all fake.

    The flip side is obviously some of these guys are truly sick.

    Do you support this kind of police activity and prosecution?

    I know some people thought the "To Catch A Predator" show was going too far.

    Is this going too far?
    This ties in with the 'sex offence' thread regarding the celeb nudes, but... the phrase "everything is done online" is not an excuse.
    The truth may be out there, but lies are in your head. ~Terry Pratchett

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    Re: When Everything Is Fake - Is It A Crime???

    Quote Originally Posted by iangb View Post
    This ties in with the 'sex offence' thread regarding the celeb nudes, but... the phrase "everything is done online" is not an excuse.
    Perhaps a better question is: What is entrapment?

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    Re: When Everything Is Fake - Is It A Crime???

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    BBC News - Webcam sex with fake girl Sweetie leads to sentence



    So this is taking the "To Catch A Predator" thing to the next level.

    I'm not sure exactly how I feel about this. Obviously there's a lot that's wrong and punishable, but at what point is all this a crime and at what point is it entrapment?

    Everything is done online. There's no child. It's all fake.

    The flip side is obviously some of these guys are truly sick.

    Do you support this kind of police activity and prosecution?

    I know some people thought the "To Catch A Predator" show was going too far.

    Is this going too far?
    I am quite sure that I know, what I think about this. It is as embarrassing and should be as punishable as having sex with a ten year old plastic doll.

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    Re: When Everything Is Fake - Is It A Crime???

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Perhaps a better question is: What is entrapment?
    I do not believe that we should allow the government to punish imagined crimes. That is ridiculous. The guy is maybe a little batty. But sex with an animation picture is hardly something that our government should be forbidding.

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    Re: When Everything Is Fake - Is It A Crime???

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I do not believe that we should allow the government to punish imagined crimes. That is ridiculous. The guy is maybe a little batty. But sex with an animation picture is hardly something that our government should be forbidding.
    Victimless crime?
    Thought crime?

    Not a whole lot different than a guy writing a fictional book about horrendous sex crimes with children? Lolita?

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    Re: When Everything Is Fake - Is It A Crime???

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Victimless crime?
    Thought crime?

    Not a whole lot different than a guy writing a fictional book about horrendous sex crimes with children? Lolita?
    American Psycho in Aussiland?

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    Re: When Everything Is Fake - Is It A Crime???

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    American Psycho in Aussiland?
    But if it leads to the below scenario??? Then what?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    But it should certainly be enough to get a search warrant to check out the guy's computer, and I'm guessing you'd find plenty of evidence of real crimes on there.

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    Re: When Everything Is Fake - Is It A Crime???

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Perhaps a better question is: What is entrapment?
    Entrapment would be if the police established and encouraged contact with the offender, especially if they initiated the illegal acts. I suspect that's not the case here, but obviously neither of us know the full details.
    The truth may be out there, but lies are in your head. ~Terry Pratchett

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