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transgender a mental disorder

Is transgender a mental disorder

  • yes it is a mental disorder

    Votes: 30 76.9%
  • no it is a real birth defect

    Votes: 9 23.1%

  • Total voters
    39
It is not like people are making up Disorders because some people really have them. Fact. Does transgendered apply, that is a valid question. I say it is a Disorder.

I would say that if the person himself or herself strongly feels that it is, then it is. If not, then it probably isn't.
 
I would say that if the person himself or herself strongly feels that it is, then it is. If not, then it probably isn't.

Do you mean the transgendered person or the person viewing them?
 
Do you mean the transgendered person or the person viewing them?
I'm wondering if it's even possible to be sure how correct the opinion of either is.

But since one of them lives in the body in question, I presume we are giving them the upper hand in that comparison.
 
I'm wondering if it's even possible to be sure how correct the opinion of either is.

But since one of them lives in the body in question, I presume we are giving them the upper hand in that comparison.

That is my understanding of his statement as well...
 
Seems like the argument is over whether the state of being transgendered is a result of:
A mental problem which can be "fixed" - as in, make a transgendered person no longer transgendered by convincing them/their brain they're the same sex as their body...

Or a mental disconnect from the sex of their body which can be "fixed" - as in, changing their body to match who they/their brain thinks they are.



Or...something like that? I'm probably not even using the terms right...

For that matter, that kinda brings up a discussion about how much of our "self/being/sense of who we are" is biological and dictated by chemicals in our brain/body...


IDFK

Perceptions are developed and strengthened via practice.
 
Time to broaden the mind, people. There's one thing that people have in common, and that's that they are all DIFFERENT - sorta like the only constant is change, y'know? Just because someone is different doesn't mean that he or she is 'defective' or has a 'mental disorder'. I am a strong Christian...but I also know that if the old saw, "God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve" was really in accordance to His will, He would never have allowed naturally-born hermaphrodites to be born. I've heard the counter-argument that natural hermaphrodites are so incredibly rare that it doesn't make any difference, but my point is that if God allowed even one hermaphrodite to be naturally born, then it cannot be just "Adam and Eve".

We've all got things we'd like to change. Personally, I've got a moderate case of face blindness - and it sucks, and can be really, truly embarrassing. It can't be fixed at all, apparently. But at least with transgenderism, something CAN be done, so why not do something about it?

Your last question is striking. I believe everyone concerned would like to do "something about it". The question is: Do we treat this as a mental disorder focusing treatments on improving perceptions? or do we treat this as a physical defect focusing treatments on changing the body? If this is indeed a perceptual disorder and we focus on physical transformation, we haven't treated the ailment.
 
Recognizing this mental illness for what it truly is refutes the agenda of those who wish to push the absurd theories of “gender fluidity” and other nonsense related thereto.

You're doing it, AGAIN. Using incorrect words to fit YOUR agenda. It's certainly not a mental illness as has been determined by the APA, experts in this field. You do not have the credentials to refute that.
 
Trans are deeply flawed humans that have self mutilated. In the animal world such organisms are quickly removed by the way of nature towards the weak.

The naturally healthy organisms usually eliminate the flawed organisms in nature.

This post is, of course. complete ignorance on the topic. Before speaking on this issue, you might want to educate yourself so you understand the differentiation between sexual dimorphism in the brain and anatomy. Then, perhaps, you would sound like you know what you are talking about.
 
It is not like people are making up Disorders because some people really have them. Fact. Does transgendered apply, that is a valid question. I say it is a Disorder.

YOU can say what you want. That doesn't make it valid.
 
YOU can say what you want. That doesn't make it valid.

I'm not in the medical field and have no personal knowledge on the issue but I did hear it noted on CNN the other day that the World Health Organization considers transgenderism a "mental disorder". I've been unable to verify this through internet searches of WHO sites and information, so perhaps it was a false statement, but if it's being aired on a reputable network as such I can see why people outside the field would accept and hold that opinion.

As for the actual issue, I don't believe it has a public policy element but then I don't believe any issues that are personal to the individual alone should have a public policy component. Such issues, when they concern individual health, should be the concern of only the patient and his/her professional caregivers.
 
If it's not a disorder, then gender reassignment surgery is simply a cosmetic choice and should not be classed as medical treatment and not be taxpayer funded.

Not everyone who is trans even wants to get the surgery. Plenty are content, or at least more content, finding other ways to express how they feel. Jenner certainly can afford the surgery, but has chosen not to, for the time being. The degree that one feels a need to do so varies, not everyone is the same. Some may badly need the surgery, for some even the surgery won't suffice (partly why suicide rates are still high), and others don't need it at all.

i find this binary of "disorder = legit surgery, nondisorder = cosmetic" too simple to account for everyone.
 
YOU can say what you want. That doesn't make it valid.

The same is certainly true of you.

You make a lot of claims, that stand against what is plain and obvious, backed up by a pompous air of authority and expertise that any one can see that you do not have. Your false-authority does not give your claims any more credibility than anyone else's.
 
i find this binary of "disorder = legit surgery, nondisorder = cosmetic" too simple to account for everyone.

I don't think anyone is claiming that.

I know a man who was born with a cleft palate. He's had surgery to correct it. His condition could certainly have been characterized as “cosmetic”, and he could have lived out a long, healthy life, with this condition uncorrected, but I don't think anyone would rationally dispute the appropriateness of him having it surgically-corrected.

Now, if he had been born with a normal palate, and he, at some point in his life, decided that he “identified” as a rabbit, and in accordance with this “identity”, sought to have surgery to give him a cleft palate and other leporidan characteristics, then that would be something else entirely.
 
Your last question is striking. I believe everyone concerned would like to do "something about it". The question is: Do we treat this as a mental disorder focusing treatments on improving perceptions? or do we treat this as a physical defect focusing treatments on changing the body? If this is indeed a perceptual disorder and we focus on physical transformation, we haven't treated the ailment.

Thing is, it's been approached as a mental disorder for generation after generation. I remember hearing about this kind of stuff when I was a kid. It didn't work then, and there's no sign that it works now. Just because the only indication that a person is saying that they've felt since childhood that they were born with the wrong body...doesn't mean that it's not true. We don't know everything that goes on in the body, much less the brain. Why assume that "it's all in your head" - especially since the stories are legion about how such mental therapy never works.

It's sorta like the "treatment" for homosexuals that some "Christians" support - how's their rate of success? According to everything I've ever read or heard, not good.

And there are often physical signs that are not so obvious. For instance, there's one disorder where a man has all the physical characteristics of a man...except for the fact that he has no Y chromosome. There's several other similar disorders, too.
 
The same is certainly true of you.

You make a lot of claims, that stand against what is plain and obvious, backed up by a pompous air of authority and expertise that any one can see that you do not have. Your false-authority does not give your claims any more credibility than anyone else's.

Actually, that's not true. My position on this matter... and remember, we are talking facts and information NOT BELIEFS, is infinitely more valid and credible than yours. I cite facts and research, You cite nothing other than a bigoted and subjective morality along with incorrect and invalid usage of terms and information. In that context, my claims have far more validity than yours could ever have.
 
YOU can say what you want. That doesn't make it valid.

What I say is valid if it is valid... and in this case what I say is valid because IT IS valid.
 
The same is certainly true of you.

You make a lot of claims, that stand against what is plain and obvious, backed up by a (an) air of authority and expertise.

Just to clarify this is what I was thanking... :)
 
What I say is valid if it is valid... and in this case what I say is valid because IT IS valid.

Actually, since it is not valid and have been proven to not be valid, what you said is invalid.
 
What I say is valid if it is valid... and in this case what I say is valid because IT IS valid.

Repeatedly saying something is valid does not prove it is valid.
 
You're doing it, AGAIN. Using incorrect words to fit YOUR agenda. It's certainly not a mental illness as has been determined by the APA, experts in this field. You do not have the credentials to refute that.

The person you are responding to, aside, I'm not clear that the APA is as definitive as you represent them to be. From the APA website, under the question: "Is being transgender a mental disorder?":

A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder. For these individuals, the significant problem is finding affordable resources, such as counseling, hormone therapy, medical procedures and the social support necessary to freely express their gender identity and minimize discrimination. Many other obstacles may lead to distress, including a lack of acceptance within society, direct or indirect experiences with discrimination, or assault. These experiences may lead many transgender people to suffer with anxiety, depression or related disorders at higher rates than nontransgender persons.
According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), people who experience intense, persistent gender incongruence can be given the diagnosis of "gender dysphoria." Some contend that the diagnosis inappropriately pathologizes gender noncongruence and should be eliminated. Others argue that it is essential to retain the diagnosis to ensure access to care. The International Classification of Diseases (ICD) is under revision and there may be changes to its current classification of intense persistent gender incongruence as "gender identity disorder."

Answers to your Questions About Transgender People, Gender Identity, and Gender Expression

They are clearly showing that there is disagreement in the mental health community.
 
Actually, since it is not valid and have been proven to not be valid, what you said is invalid.

There is no proof either way... that is the beauty of my argument. Opinions are all that matter and mine matters most since it is correct.
 
Repeatedly saying something is valid does not prove it is valid.

Correct. But since my argument IS valid I can assert it's validity...
 
It is coherent. People are transgenders do to a disorder that involves a disconnect of the brain and body when it comes to gender Identity. Don't see a reason to change the wording.

Three sentences, all entirely and individually wrong. An impressive effort there.
 
Suicides are also something crazy like 27 times more likely among trans. I wonder why? Because it's deep mental disorder.
 
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