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    Re: transgender a mental disorder

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Time to broaden the mind, people. There's one thing that people have in common, and that's that they are all DIFFERENT - sorta like the only constant is change, y'know? Just because someone is different doesn't mean that he or she is 'defective' or has a 'mental disorder'. I am a strong Christian...but I also know that if the old saw, "God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve" was really in accordance to His will, He would never have allowed naturally-born hermaphrodites to be born. I've heard the counter-argument that natural hermaphrodites are so incredibly rare that it doesn't make any difference, but my point is that if God allowed even one hermaphrodite to be naturally born, then it cannot be just "Adam and Eve".

    We've all got things we'd like to change. Personally, I've got a moderate case of face blindness - and it sucks, and can be really, truly embarrassing. It can't be fixed at all, apparently. But at least with transgenderism, something CAN be done, so why not do something about it?
    Your last question is striking. I believe everyone concerned would like to do "something about it". The question is: Do we treat this as a mental disorder focusing treatments on improving perceptions? or do we treat this as a physical defect focusing treatments on changing the body? If this is indeed a perceptual disorder and we focus on physical transformation, we haven't treated the ailment.
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    Re: transgender a mental disorder

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Recognizing this mental illness for what it truly is refutes the agenda of those who wish to push the absurd theories of “gender fluidity” and other nonsense related thereto.
    You're doing it, AGAIN. Using incorrect words to fit YOUR agenda. It's certainly not a mental illness as has been determined by the APA, experts in this field. You do not have the credentials to refute that.
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    Re: transgender a mental disorder

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Trans are deeply flawed humans that have self mutilated. In the animal world such organisms are quickly removed by the way of nature towards the weak.

    The naturally healthy organisms usually eliminate the flawed organisms in nature.
    This post is, of course. complete ignorance on the topic. Before speaking on this issue, you might want to educate yourself so you understand the differentiation between sexual dimorphism in the brain and anatomy. Then, perhaps, you would sound like you know what you are talking about.
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    Re: transgender a mental disorder

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    It is not like people are making up Disorders because some people really have them. Fact. Does transgendered apply, that is a valid question. I say it is a Disorder.
    YOU can say what you want. That doesn't make it valid.
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    Re: transgender a mental disorder

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    YOU can say what you want. That doesn't make it valid.
    I'm not in the medical field and have no personal knowledge on the issue but I did hear it noted on CNN the other day that the World Health Organization considers transgenderism a "mental disorder". I've been unable to verify this through internet searches of WHO sites and information, so perhaps it was a false statement, but if it's being aired on a reputable network as such I can see why people outside the field would accept and hold that opinion.

    As for the actual issue, I don't believe it has a public policy element but then I don't believe any issues that are personal to the individual alone should have a public policy component. Such issues, when they concern individual health, should be the concern of only the patient and his/her professional caregivers.
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    Re: transgender a mental disorder

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    If it's not a disorder, then gender reassignment surgery is simply a cosmetic choice and should not be classed as medical treatment and not be taxpayer funded.
    Not everyone who is trans even wants to get the surgery. Plenty are content, or at least more content, finding other ways to express how they feel. Jenner certainly can afford the surgery, but has chosen not to, for the time being. The degree that one feels a need to do so varies, not everyone is the same. Some may badly need the surgery, for some even the surgery won't suffice (partly why suicide rates are still high), and others don't need it at all.

    i find this binary of "disorder = legit surgery, nondisorder = cosmetic" too simple to account for everyone.

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    Re: transgender a mental disorder

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    YOU can say what you want. That doesn't make it valid.
    The same is certainly true of you.

    You make a lot of claims, that stand against what is plain and obvious, backed up by a pompous air of authority and expertise that any one can see that you do not have. Your false-authority does not give your claims any more credibility than anyone else's.
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    Re: transgender a mental disorder

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    i find this binary of "disorder = legit surgery, nondisorder = cosmetic" too simple to account for everyone.
    I don't think anyone is claiming that.

    I know a man who was born with a cleft palate. He's had surgery to correct it. His condition could certainly have been characterized as “cosmetic”, and he could have lived out a long, healthy life, with this condition uncorrected, but I don't think anyone would rationally dispute the appropriateness of him having it surgically-corrected.

    Now, if he had been born with a normal palate, and he, at some point in his life, decided that he “identified” as a rabbit, and in accordance with this “identity”, sought to have surgery to give him a cleft palate and other leporidan characteristics, then that would be something else entirely.
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    Re: transgender a mental disorder

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    Your last question is striking. I believe everyone concerned would like to do "something about it". The question is: Do we treat this as a mental disorder focusing treatments on improving perceptions? or do we treat this as a physical defect focusing treatments on changing the body? If this is indeed a perceptual disorder and we focus on physical transformation, we haven't treated the ailment.
    Thing is, it's been approached as a mental disorder for generation after generation. I remember hearing about this kind of stuff when I was a kid. It didn't work then, and there's no sign that it works now. Just because the only indication that a person is saying that they've felt since childhood that they were born with the wrong body...doesn't mean that it's not true. We don't know everything that goes on in the body, much less the brain. Why assume that "it's all in your head" - especially since the stories are legion about how such mental therapy never works.

    It's sorta like the "treatment" for homosexuals that some "Christians" support - how's their rate of success? According to everything I've ever read or heard, not good.

    And there are often physical signs that are not so obvious. For instance, there's one disorder where a man has all the physical characteristics of a man...except for the fact that he has no Y chromosome. There's several other similar disorders, too.
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    Re: transgender a mental disorder

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    The same is certainly true of you.

    You make a lot of claims, that stand against what is plain and obvious, backed up by a pompous air of authority and expertise that any one can see that you do not have. Your false-authority does not give your claims any more credibility than anyone else's.
    Actually, that's not true. My position on this matter... and remember, we are talking facts and information NOT BELIEFS, is infinitely more valid and credible than yours. I cite facts and research, You cite nothing other than a bigoted and subjective morality along with incorrect and invalid usage of terms and information. In that context, my claims have far more validity than yours could ever have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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