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    Re: transgender a mental disorder

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I love how people will go out of their way to defend the dumbest most illogical conclusions to issues. If ADD is a disorder then thinking you are the wrong gender damn well better be or the way disorders are determined is illogical.
    No, Henrin. These are completely different issues. I'd explain everything to you for the... I don't know... 30th time, but you and I both know that you will refuse to be educated on this issue. So I'll just save some time and just remind you of that.
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    Re: transgender a mental disorder

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I don't think there's anything embarrassing about treating it as a disorder. If I have ADHD and take Ritilin, or if I am transgender and take a drug for that, it doesn't seem different. If I have high cholesterol and take a statin. I don't see what the big deal is in calling it a disorder. The surgery to me is like any plastic surgery, it's to satisfy the individual involved. It's not exactly like a bad nose, but it provides the recipient some emotional satisfaction that they have corrected something. Like men's and women's clothing is a matter of culture and style, we don't wear the same clothes but we could. It's an identity thing.
    I think you would if you were transgender. I probably would.

    'Medical Definition of MENTAL DISORDER. : a mental or bodily condition marked primarily by sufficient disorganization of personality, mind, and emotions to seriously impair the normal psychological functioning of the individual—called also mental illness'

    Mental Disorder Medical Definition | Merriam-Webster Medical Dictionary

    Mental disorder is just a nicer name for mental illness.

    A person does not feel like the gender they were born into. There is, imo, no rational way to call that a mental illness in and of itself. Must one have to be completely satisfied with being the sex they were born with to not have a mental illness?
    What about people that get fairly large amounts of plastic surgery purely for cosmetic reasons? They are clearly unhappy with what they were born with - do they have a mental illness? I have seen videos/pictures of women that have had so much plastic surgery that they do not remotely look like they did naturally. Some are completely unrecognizable. Do they have a mental illness? They might. But you cannot realistically assume they ALL do.
    I look upon changing gender as an extreme form of plastic surgery.
    Now i have little doubt that at least some of them have a mental illness. But I also believe (and I don't care what some doctor/shrink/prof says) that as long as they are hurting no one else, are reasonably happy with their new gender and have no desire to switch back - then I see nothing wrong with it and they are not and should not automatically be deemed to have a mental illness.

    I certainly believe that people can be born with the wrong sex - i.e. their drives/desires/instincts do not match the sex they have been born with.
    People are apparently born gay, why not also born with the wrong sex?

    If the guy/gal that wrote the OP paper wants to study an individual and deduce that that person in particular has a mental disorder...fine.
    But to lump every, single transgender person into a group that ALL have mental illnesses seems extremely unscientific, unprofessional and probably erroneous.
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    Re: transgender a mental disorder

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I think you would if you were transgender. I probably would.
    And I have ADD... I don't want it labeled a Disorder but why is it?

    'Medical Definition of MENTAL DISORDER. : a mental or bodily condition marked primarily by sufficient disorganization of personality, mind, and emotions to seriously impair the normal psychological functioning of the individual—called also mental illness'

    Mental Disorder Medical Definition | Merriam-Webster Medical Dictionary

    Mental disorder is just a nicer name for mental illness.
    Yet even with my "disorder" I am a successful teacher with a B.A. a Diploma of Teaching with honors and a Masters degree... I thought that I was seriously impaired in my normal psychological functioning?

    A person does not feel like the gender they were born into. There is, imo, no rational way to call that a mental illness in and of itself. Must one have to be completely satisfied with being the sex they were born with to not have a mental illness?
    A man thinks he is a woman and that is fine or "normal" psychological personality and emotion and NOT sufficiently disrganized to be considered a Disorder but having slight attention issues is aDisorder?

    What about people that get fairly large amounts of plastic surgery purely for cosmetic reasons? They are clearly unhappy with what they were born with - do they have a mental illness? I have seen videos/pictures of women that have had so much plastic surgery that they do not remotely look like they did naturally. Some are completely unrecognizable. Do they have a mental illness? They might. But you cannot realistically assume they ALL do.
    I think that many of them do, yes.

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    Re: transgender a mental disorder

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Clearly the people who are experts on the issue recognize that it is NOT a mental disorder. But this has already been explained to you, Ryan. You are just doing what you always do: when proven wrong, you just ignore this proof and keep posting your wrongness like it never happened.
    As you do on this issue... psychology, even though I love it, is a best guess science. Psychologists are no more an expert on this than I am.

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    Re: transgender a mental disorder

    Quote Originally Posted by demsoc70 View Post
    I'm rational, don't agree with you, and I didn't vote. Not enough choices. There should be "it's just the way you are born" choice also. Why are you so worried about how others live their lives?
    This is a debate and only a few are actually "worried" about how others live... most, like me, are just making a point. Why does that bother you?

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    Re: transgender a mental disorder

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Nobody is born this way and I will never be on the side of people who insist this is "normal". It's simply lost radical social leftism gone terribly wrong:




    Hopefully it is a happy being but in all seriousness.... WTF? This is a singer, right? I think I saw he/she/it on a TV comercial a while ago...

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    Re: transgender a mental disorder

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Hopefully it is a happy being but in all seriousness.... WTF? This is a singer, right? I think I saw he/she/it on a TV comercial a while ago...
    It's a mentally sick human being. Think of all the poor little kids that had to see this beast on TV.

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    Re: transgender a mental disorder

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    As you do on this issue... psychology, even though I love it, is a best guess science. Psychologists are no more an expert on this than I am.
    Incorrect. They have far more expertise on this issue than you. I've read your posts on it. You keep getting things wrong.
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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: transgender a mental disorder

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    And I have ADD... I don't want it labeled a Disorder but why is it?
    Because it causes impairment and/or distress.



    Yet even with my "disorder" I am a successful teacher with a B.A. a Diploma of Teaching with honors and a Masters degree... I thought that I was seriously impaired in my normal psychological functioning?
    Obviously you have learned some excellent coping skills in order to deal with your ADD. You still have the disorder but you have nulified it's impairment and distress through good coping skills. I congratulate you. That's not always an easy thing to do.

    A man thinks he is a woman and that is fine or "normal" psychological personality and emotion and NOT sufficiently disrganized to be considered a Disorder but having slight attention issues is aDisorder?
    If the issue causes that individual distress or impairment, it would then be considered GDD.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: transgender a mental disorder

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    People falsely call transsexuality a mental disorder in order to degrade and attack transsexuals. People don't generally do that for folks with ADHD. The problem is that it isn't a mental disorder, but it is falsely claimed to be one in order to insult people.
    Maybe some do, but being a disorder isn't degrading, it allows them to get help.
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