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Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

Do you believe pedophilia is a disorder?

  • Yes

    Votes: 27 58.7%
  • No

    Votes: 3 6.5%
  • It can be in some cases

    Votes: 3 6.5%
  • No, it's criminal even if it is a disorder

    Votes: 13 28.3%

  • Total voters
    46
Many, probably most men will have sex with an animal or a hole in the ground rather than have no sex at all.

That is idiotic... :lol:

Some choose their victims because they are easy or convenient, not because they prefer children.

Agreed...
 
Sorry, but your dissertation on the fine points of what YOUR narrow interpretation should be---isn't.
Pot, meet kettle.
Those with pedophillic issues should first try to get help for it, thearpy, salvation, anything to halt it. Those adults who are convicted on hard evidence of pedophillia should be hanged. Let the talking heads classify it all they want. Because, sometimes bad is bad.
The problem with your stance is that too many people want to hang the pedophile before he even gets to act. If a person says "I have this urge to have sex with children, help me so I don't hurt them" the most common first reaction is to shun and berate and even attempt to harm them or worse. Not because of what they did, but because they asked for help, reveling that urge within them. This is why we need the diagnosis of the disorder so that we can de-stigmatize the condition (but not the acting upon the condition) and help these people without their being effectively ejected from society. When you try to get help and all people do is berate you and tell you to handle it alone, how is that solving the problem?
I just hope no child in your family is molested by a pedophile....You might change your mind on the issue if that happened.
The whole point of this thread is to get the people help before the pedophile acts. Covering your head and saying that just because they haven't hurt a child yet and thus are not a pedophile endangers more kids than it saves. Once they act it is too late. If I found out that the pedophile had tried to get help before he harmed one of my children, I would tear into those who rejected helping him as well. They are as much at fault for driving him away from help as he is for acting on urges no one has taught him how to control. More so really.
Child molesters are not always pedophile's...
legally speaking they are because the legal definition is not the same as the medical. The legal definition only deals with the action itself, i.e. the sexual interaction of an adult and a child under X age (varies by state). The law doesn't care if there was a sexual attraction or not. Medically speaking there has to be an attraction for it to be pedophilia and the child has to be 13 or younger.
No. There are alternatives. If a male has sex with another male he is a homosexual or a bisexual. Prison doesn't change that.
Fail. He has committed a homosexual act. A person is homosexual if they are sexually attracted to only members of their own gender regardless of whether or not they have sex at all. Or look at it this way. If a man is raped by another man, that is still a homosexual act. But that doesn't make the victim a homosexual. Or let's go the other way. I put a gun to your head and force you to f-k another man in the arse. Are you suddenly homosexual or bisexual? Or is homosexual only descriptive of the act you committed and not of you? Homosexual is a label. When applied to a person it describes their attractions. When applied to an act, it describes the participants. One does not automatically align with the other. Otherwise every boy raped by a male perpetrator or every girl raped by a female perpetrator would automatically become homosexual.
 
Pot, meet kettle. The problem with your stance is that too many people want to hang the pedophile before he even gets to act. If a person says "I have this urge to have sex with children, help me so I don't hurt them" the most common first reaction is to shun and berate and even attempt to harm them or worse. Not because of what they did, but because they asked for help, reveling that urge within them. This is why we need the diagnosis of the disorder so that we can de-stigmatize the condition (but not the acting upon the condition) and help these people without their being effectively ejected from society. When you try to get help and all people do is berate you and tell you to handle it alone, how is that solving the problem? The whole point of this thread is to get the people help before the pedophile acts. Covering your head and saying that just because they haven't hurt a child yet and thus are not a pedophile endangers more kids than it saves. Once they act it is too late. If I found out that the pedophile had tried to get help before he harmed one of my children, I would tear into those who rejected helping him as well. They are as much at fault for driving him away from help as he is for acting on urges no one has taught him how to control. More so really. legally speaking they are because the legal definition is not the same as the medical. The legal definition only deals with the action itself, i.e. the sexual interaction of an adult and a child under X age (varies by state). The law doesn't care if there was a sexual attraction or not. Medically speaking there has to be an attraction for it to be pedophilia and the child has to be 13 or younger. Fail. He has committed a homosexual act. A person is homosexual if they are sexually attracted to only members of their own gender regardless of whether or not they have sex at all. Or look at it this way. If a man is raped by another man, that is still a homosexual act. But that doesn't make the victim a homosexual. Or let's go the other way. I put a gun to your head and force you to f-k another man in the arse. Are you suddenly homosexual or bisexual? Or is homosexual only descriptive of the act you committed and not of you? Homosexual is a label. When applied to a person it describes their attractions. When applied to an act, it describes the participants. One does not automatically align with the other. Otherwise every boy raped by a male perpetrator or every girl raped by a female perpetrator would automatically become homosexual.

OK. I am only concerned with the psychological aspect but you made a correct differentiation.
 
Being a murderer is not a crime either until you act on it...

you are not a murderer until you kill someone.
You are a pedophile if you're attracted sexually to young children, whether or not you act on that attraction.
 
Okay, then here are some others who say that gays are not 10 percent:

Based on the 2013 NHIS data [collected in 2013 from 34,557 adults aged 18 and over], 96.6% of adults identified as straight, 1.6% identified as gay or lesbian, and 0.7% identified as bisexual. The remaining 1.1% of adults identified as “something else[]” [0.2%,] stated “I don’t know the answer[]” [0.4%] or refused to provide an answer [0.6%].
What percentage of the U.S. population is gay, lesbian or bisexual? - The Washington Post

If the 1/3 of rapes of chidren are by males attacking boys---then homosexual acts by homosexuals would occur in all of them.

First, nobody knows the percentage of gay people, only those who have identified themselves as such. Second, what are you basing the rest of your post on? In any case, any numbers you've come up with is a misunderstand of the fact that the primary factor pedophiles are fixated on is age, a concept you seem to have no seriously problem understanding when talking about male-on-female-child acts ("pedophilia"), but seem to lose the thread of when discussing male-on-male-child acts ("homosexuality").
 
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That depends on whether it is consensual and whether it creates pain or harm for the participants. For example, the book "Perv" refers to a New Guinea tribe that believes that consuming semen is healthy for near-pubescent boys and provides it to them in a manner that our culture would consider humiliating and likely to be traumatic. Apparently it is not considered harmful to the people involved. If it genuinely is consensual and does not creates pain or harm for the participants, then I do not disapprove. Cultural context is very significant when considering harm.

I've heard of this, the etoro right? How can it possibly be consensual though? A belief system like that by itself can be coercive. I mean, what are you arguing, that most young boys in that tribe *want* to be inseminated, completely independent of any influence by the adults? I highly doubt that
 
That depends on whether it is consensual and whether it creates pain or harm for the participants. For example, the book "Perv" refers to a New Guinea tribe that believes that consuming semen is healthy for near-pubescent boys and provides it to them in a manner that our culture would consider humiliating and likely to be traumatic. Apparently it is not considered harmful to the people involved. If it genuinely is consensual and does not creates pain or harm for the participants, then I do not disapprove. Cultural context is very significant when considering harm.

1 in 5 women who are raped achieve an involuntary orgasm, it doesn't mean they weren't raped bc they had an orgasm. I think some ppl are abused for so long that they stop fighting it and just give into it. Equally as sad.
 
It was a question thus the question mark at the end of the sentence. I don't see how being attracted to the same sex is not a disorder if being attracted to children is. Both are deviant behaviors so the distinction is???

Being attracted to the same sex is not deviant and not a disorder as it causes no harm nor distress. That's the problem with your premise. It is false at it's foundation.
 
Its not pedophilia unless its acted upon.

No. It's not molestation unless acted upon. One can be a pedophile from a clinical/psychological standpoint without ever acting on those desires.
 
You don't think a young boy discovering that he is attracted to other young boys causes distress?

Not at all. Not distress because of the attraction. Concern because of the reaction of others to the attraction, but that is not the same thing.
 
Do you realize that in some cultures and or religions pedophilia is not disapproved of? Does that make it OK too?

Yup, Certainly does. Religious or cultural opinion on homosexuality is irrelevant when it comes to whether it is a disorder or not.
 
I am only stating the facts---and the facts are that most pedophiles are not homosexuals, but that homosexuals commit acts of pedophilia far outside their statistical population.

These are not facts and are not supported by any research whatsoever. Homosexuals commit acts of pedophilia either similar or LESS than their statistical population. THAT'S what research shows.
 
Do you stop thinking about the sources behind all action of anyone once they commit a crime?

No, not anyone's actions. I just get emotionally compromised when certain people commit a crime. Pedo's are included in that group.

Someone sexually abuses a kid and I do not care about actions behind. Instead I care for the legal actions that will come on front. Hopefully it would happen in a US state where the death penalty is active.

But they do go off so easily with chemicals, do not they? The electric chair in a freaking dry head may do better justice in my opinion.
 
I see a massive issue with prejudice and intolerance.

How can anyone really believe the psychiatric industry? They said homosexuality was a mental illness a few decades ago, and now they don't.

The APA (a highly political orgainzation) that constantly changes its DSM-whatever it is now, series, tried to get away with saying that Pedophilia was a behavioral disorder! HA. But quickly changed their tune after complaints.

Leftists that run the psychiatric business in the West are members of an occult science---perhaps only one step above Bigfoot hunters.

And by the very definitions of words---all men who rape or have consentual sex with boys are homosexuals. If you don't like what words mean, then create new ones.

1) The APA declassified homosexuality as a disorder after research that clearly demonstrated this was finally allowed to be examined. Previously, the anti-gay contingent in the APA did what they could to prevent this research from being presented.
2) All research shows that the vast majority of men who molest boys are HETEROsexuals. Just because the research destroys your anti-gay agenda really doesn't matter to me. You can stay in denial about it, but it doesn't alter that your position is pure folly.
3) You obviously don't know what homosexuality is. It is not about sex with children. Please educate yourself on these concepts.
 
Definition of Homosexual:


1

: of, relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire toward another of the same sex


2

: of, relating to, or involving sexual intercourse between persons of the same sex

The word is what the word is. A male having sexual relations---rape or otherwise---has commited a homosexual act. A male man desiring to have sex with a boy is still a homosexual.

I'll go by what the traditional meaning and understanding of what homosexaulity is----not a white-washed, feel-good, new age, Orwellian understanding of what you think it should be.

Again, you don't seem to understand the complexities of sexual behavior. In prison, male heterosexual will have sex with other men for purposes of dominance. They are NOT homosexuals. You really need to educate yourself on this particular issue.
 
They are still homosexuals---as they commit homosexual acts.

Please come up with a new word fit your political agenda.

Thank you.

No they are not. You don't understand the difference between sexual orientation and sexual behavior. Please learn something about this before posting such inaccurate information.
 
In Liberal LA-LA-Land, no homosexual behavior is bad---it's all good.

In uneducated conservatives anti-gay land, everything is black and white... and since we know this is false, it demonstrates just how easily conservatives are proven wrong on this issue... kinda like you've been proven wrong.

I'm from the world of individual accountability. One must attest for their own behavior and actions. What is dishonest is not to think man on boy pepohilia is not homosexual behavior---it is homoseexual behavior of the worst kind.

You are from an uneducated world. You don't understand how sexual orientation and sexual behavior work and how the two are different concepts. You don't understand that sexual attraction has nothing to do with attraction to children... that this is mutually exclusive to sexual orientation.

Anyone who has persistant homosexual desires, and has made no effort to break them, is still a homosexual. But until they have commited a homosexual act, they haven't commited an immoral or unnatural act.

No, since morality is relative, your comment above is meaningless.
 
Like ones who hate Christian groups like the Family Research Council.

Do you have no tolerance for those with opinions of your own?

The Family Research Council is a noted anti-gay group who uses lies and false information to smear homosexuals. Any legitimate Christian organization would have nothing to do with them.
 
I just hope no child in your family is molested by a pedophile....You might change your mind on the issue if that happened.

You have NO idea what you just said, NP. I was CLEAR that if a pedophile molests a child, that's a crime. Please read before you post something dumb.
 
Okay, then here are some others who say that gays are not 10 percent:

Based on the 2013 NHIS data [collected in 2013 from 34,557 adults aged 18 and over], 96.6% of adults identified as straight, 1.6% identified as gay or lesbian, and 0.7% identified as bisexual. The remaining 1.1% of adults identified as “something else[]” [0.2%,] stated “I don’t know the answer[]” [0.4%] or refused to provide an answer [0.6%].
What percentage of the U.S. population is gay, lesbian or bisexual? - The Washington Post

If the 1/3 of rapes of chidren are by males attacking boys---then homosexual acts by homosexuals would occur in all of them.

The rapes of male children by makes are done primarily by heterosexuals. What you have been posting on this issue demonstrates a decided lack of education on sexuality and demonstrates nothing but an anti-gay agenda. Here is some research that demonstrates that you don't know what you are talking about:

Are Children at Risk for Sexual Abuse by Homosexuals?

In this study, of 269 children who had been abused (including 76 boys) only TWO were homosexual. The research determined that this was within the context of the percentage of homosexual population or LESS.

http://www.robinjwilson.com/articles/freund%201989%20erotic%20age%20pref.pdf

In this study, homosexual males who were attracted to adults of the same sex, and heterosexual males who were attracted to adults of the opposite sex were shown erotic pictures of male children. There was NO difference between the sexual stimulation of both groups.

So, what have we learned from this... other than you don't know what you are talking about? We have learned that there is a difference between sexual attraction to adults and sexual attraction to children and that the two do NOT connect. We have learned that male homosexuals molest boys at either the same percentage as there are homosexuals in the population or LESS. In essence, we have learned that nothing you have said has an credibility, and it just comes from an uneducated conservative anti-gay position. You have now been taught the facts. You're welcome.
 
I've heard of this, the etoro right? How can it possibly be consensual though? A belief system like that by itself can be coercive. I mean, what are you arguing, that most young boys in that tribe *want* to be inseminated, completely independent of any influence by the adults? I highly doubt that

They don't not want it because they are not taught that it's "bad". Our society holds it to be so, but theirs does not. It runs sort of along the same line as the incest thing. If the siblings do not grow up together, the aversion does not develop. For those of us for whom the aversion has developed (vast majority), we get squicked at the idea that they can even possibility be attracted to each other. Or maybe spankings are a better parallel for you. There are many who see the clear line between spankings and beatings, and because they were not taught spankings were "bad" or "traumatic" they are not traumatized by the spankings they received. I certainly haven't been.
 
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