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How so?
Some choose their victims because they are easy or convenient, not because they prefer children.
How so?
Many, probably most men will have sex with an animal or a hole in the ground rather than have no sex at all.
Some choose their victims because they are easy or convenient, not because they prefer children.
Pot, meet kettle.Sorry, but your dissertation on the fine points of what YOUR narrow interpretation should be---isn't.
The problem with your stance is that too many people want to hang the pedophile before he even gets to act. If a person says "I have this urge to have sex with children, help me so I don't hurt them" the most common first reaction is to shun and berate and even attempt to harm them or worse. Not because of what they did, but because they asked for help, reveling that urge within them. This is why we need the diagnosis of the disorder so that we can de-stigmatize the condition (but not the acting upon the condition) and help these people without their being effectively ejected from society. When you try to get help and all people do is berate you and tell you to handle it alone, how is that solving the problem?Those with pedophillic issues should first try to get help for it, thearpy, salvation, anything to halt it. Those adults who are convicted on hard evidence of pedophillia should be hanged. Let the talking heads classify it all they want. Because, sometimes bad is bad.
The whole point of this thread is to get the people help before the pedophile acts. Covering your head and saying that just because they haven't hurt a child yet and thus are not a pedophile endangers more kids than it saves. Once they act it is too late. If I found out that the pedophile had tried to get help before he harmed one of my children, I would tear into those who rejected helping him as well. They are as much at fault for driving him away from help as he is for acting on urges no one has taught him how to control. More so really.I just hope no child in your family is molested by a pedophile....You might change your mind on the issue if that happened.
legally speaking they are because the legal definition is not the same as the medical. The legal definition only deals with the action itself, i.e. the sexual interaction of an adult and a child under X age (varies by state). The law doesn't care if there was a sexual attraction or not. Medically speaking there has to be an attraction for it to be pedophilia and the child has to be 13 or younger.Child molesters are not always pedophile's...
Fail. He has committed a homosexual act. A person is homosexual if they are sexually attracted to only members of their own gender regardless of whether or not they have sex at all. Or look at it this way. If a man is raped by another man, that is still a homosexual act. But that doesn't make the victim a homosexual. Or let's go the other way. I put a gun to your head and force you to f-k another man in the arse. Are you suddenly homosexual or bisexual? Or is homosexual only descriptive of the act you committed and not of you? Homosexual is a label. When applied to a person it describes their attractions. When applied to an act, it describes the participants. One does not automatically align with the other. Otherwise every boy raped by a male perpetrator or every girl raped by a female perpetrator would automatically become homosexual.No. There are alternatives. If a male has sex with another male he is a homosexual or a bisexual. Prison doesn't change that.
Pot, meet kettle. The problem with your stance is that too many people want to hang the pedophile before he even gets to act. If a person says "I have this urge to have sex with children, help me so I don't hurt them" the most common first reaction is to shun and berate and even attempt to harm them or worse. Not because of what they did, but because they asked for help, reveling that urge within them. This is why we need the diagnosis of the disorder so that we can de-stigmatize the condition (but not the acting upon the condition) and help these people without their being effectively ejected from society. When you try to get help and all people do is berate you and tell you to handle it alone, how is that solving the problem? The whole point of this thread is to get the people help before the pedophile acts. Covering your head and saying that just because they haven't hurt a child yet and thus are not a pedophile endangers more kids than it saves. Once they act it is too late. If I found out that the pedophile had tried to get help before he harmed one of my children, I would tear into those who rejected helping him as well. They are as much at fault for driving him away from help as he is for acting on urges no one has taught him how to control. More so really. legally speaking they are because the legal definition is not the same as the medical. The legal definition only deals with the action itself, i.e. the sexual interaction of an adult and a child under X age (varies by state). The law doesn't care if there was a sexual attraction or not. Medically speaking there has to be an attraction for it to be pedophilia and the child has to be 13 or younger. Fail. He has committed a homosexual act. A person is homosexual if they are sexually attracted to only members of their own gender regardless of whether or not they have sex at all. Or look at it this way. If a man is raped by another man, that is still a homosexual act. But that doesn't make the victim a homosexual. Or let's go the other way. I put a gun to your head and force you to f-k another man in the arse. Are you suddenly homosexual or bisexual? Or is homosexual only descriptive of the act you committed and not of you? Homosexual is a label. When applied to a person it describes their attractions. When applied to an act, it describes the participants. One does not automatically align with the other. Otherwise every boy raped by a male perpetrator or every girl raped by a female perpetrator would automatically become homosexual.
Being a murderer is not a crime either until you act on it...
Okay, then here are some others who say that gays are not 10 percent:
Based on the 2013 NHIS data [collected in 2013 from 34,557 adults aged 18 and over], 96.6% of adults identified as straight, 1.6% identified as gay or lesbian, and 0.7% identified as bisexual. The remaining 1.1% of adults identified as “something else[]” [0.2%,] stated “I don’t know the answer[]” [0.4%] or refused to provide an answer [0.6%].
What percentage of the U.S. population is gay, lesbian or bisexual? - The Washington Post
If the 1/3 of rapes of chidren are by males attacking boys---then homosexual acts by homosexuals would occur in all of them.
That depends on whether it is consensual and whether it creates pain or harm for the participants. For example, the book "Perv" refers to a New Guinea tribe that believes that consuming semen is healthy for near-pubescent boys and provides it to them in a manner that our culture would consider humiliating and likely to be traumatic. Apparently it is not considered harmful to the people involved. If it genuinely is consensual and does not creates pain or harm for the participants, then I do not disapprove. Cultural context is very significant when considering harm.
That depends on whether it is consensual and whether it creates pain or harm for the participants. For example, the book "Perv" refers to a New Guinea tribe that believes that consuming semen is healthy for near-pubescent boys and provides it to them in a manner that our culture would consider humiliating and likely to be traumatic. Apparently it is not considered harmful to the people involved. If it genuinely is consensual and does not creates pain or harm for the participants, then I do not disapprove. Cultural context is very significant when considering harm.
Exactly and the same is true for gays
It was a question thus the question mark at the end of the sentence. I don't see how being attracted to the same sex is not a disorder if being attracted to children is. Both are deviant behaviors so the distinction is???
Its not pedophilia unless its acted upon.
You don't think a young boy discovering that he is attracted to other young boys causes distress?
Do you realize that in some cultures and or religions pedophilia is not disapproved of? Does that make it OK too?
I am only stating the facts---and the facts are that most pedophiles are not homosexuals, but that homosexuals commit acts of pedophilia far outside their statistical population.
Do you stop thinking about the sources behind all action of anyone once they commit a crime?
I see a massive issue with prejudice and intolerance.
How can anyone really believe the psychiatric industry? They said homosexuality was a mental illness a few decades ago, and now they don't.
The APA (a highly political orgainzation) that constantly changes its DSM-whatever it is now, series, tried to get away with saying that Pedophilia was a behavioral disorder! HA. But quickly changed their tune after complaints.
Leftists that run the psychiatric business in the West are members of an occult science---perhaps only one step above Bigfoot hunters.
And by the very definitions of words---all men who rape or have consentual sex with boys are homosexuals. If you don't like what words mean, then create new ones.
Definition of Homosexual:
1
: of, relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire toward another of the same sex
2
: of, relating to, or involving sexual intercourse between persons of the same sex
The word is what the word is. A male having sexual relations---rape or otherwise---has commited a homosexual act. A male man desiring to have sex with a boy is still a homosexual.
I'll go by what the traditional meaning and understanding of what homosexaulity is----not a white-washed, feel-good, new age, Orwellian understanding of what you think it should be.
They are still homosexuals---as they commit homosexual acts.
Please come up with a new word fit your political agenda.
Thank you.
In Liberal LA-LA-Land, no homosexual behavior is bad---it's all good.
I'm from the world of individual accountability. One must attest for their own behavior and actions. What is dishonest is not to think man on boy pepohilia is not homosexual behavior---it is homoseexual behavior of the worst kind.
Anyone who has persistant homosexual desires, and has made no effort to break them, is still a homosexual. But until they have commited a homosexual act, they haven't commited an immoral or unnatural act.
Like ones who hate Christian groups like the Family Research Council.
Do you have no tolerance for those with opinions of your own?
Look at any dictonary to understand what the word homosexual is.
I just hope no child in your family is molested by a pedophile....You might change your mind on the issue if that happened.
Being a murderer is not a crime either until you act on it...
Okay, then here are some others who say that gays are not 10 percent:
Based on the 2013 NHIS data [collected in 2013 from 34,557 adults aged 18 and over], 96.6% of adults identified as straight, 1.6% identified as gay or lesbian, and 0.7% identified as bisexual. The remaining 1.1% of adults identified as “something else[]” [0.2%,] stated “I don’t know the answer[]” [0.4%] or refused to provide an answer [0.6%].
What percentage of the U.S. population is gay, lesbian or bisexual? - The Washington Post
If the 1/3 of rapes of chidren are by males attacking boys---then homosexual acts by homosexuals would occur in all of them.
I've heard of this, the etoro right? How can it possibly be consensual though? A belief system like that by itself can be coercive. I mean, what are you arguing, that most young boys in that tribe *want* to be inseminated, completely independent of any influence by the adults? I highly doubt that