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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Quote Originally Posted by herenow1 View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/06/op...rime.html?_r=0

    I had no idea there was support group for pedophiles who don't act on their urges. This article states that according to some MRI's these men were born this way. A push to call it a disorder rather than a crime.What are your thoughts?

    ETA- for the grammar nazis, autocorrect misspelled pedo in my title
    It's a disorder, but that doesn't mean they were born with it. Diabetes type 2 is a disorder caused by lifestyle.

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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    An analogy. A fascination of fire is not a criminal offense. But acting upon that fascination (Arson) is indeed a criminal offense and rightfully so.


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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    How the hell can pedophilia not be a disorder? Acting on the disorder is still going to be criminal no matter what the DSM does to this in category, so why the objection?

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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    An analogy. A fascination of fire is not a criminal offense. But acting upon that fascination (Arson) is indeed a criminal offense and rightfully so.
    Good analogy.
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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Good analogy.
    Agreed, though I think that if it became known that a person had an unhealthy disposition to fire he should probably be in a database of "persons of interest" in the event of an arson.

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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I've read people dealing with pedophiles are opposed to that kind of porn, but I can't see how it's any more problematic than any kind of fantasy porn, or different than a Hollywood movie that includes assassinations, murder, rape, robbery, drug dealing, drug use, etc. Compelling evidence could convince me otherwise, but I can't imagine why a LEGAL outlet for a fantasy that is illegal and harmful to society to act on is a problem. Especially, as I imagine the alternative to 'fake' kiddie porn involving no children is real kiddie porn that will harm the children involved.
    I have heard two different points-of-view on this angle...

    1) "Fake" kiddie porn fuels the desire and will lead to acting on it when the 'fake' stuff no longer satisfies.

    2) "Fake" kiddie porn allows the 'user' a release and lessens the desire to act on it on real kids.

    Most opponents claim #1, obviously, and as I understand it current law does not allow for 'fake' or 'fantasy' kiddie porn.

    As far as myself, I can't bring myself to give the Official Radcen Seal of Approval for #2, but in trying to keep with my overall view of fairness and real justice I lean toward #2 as no actual kids were harmed or used, hence no crime has been committed.
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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Both.

    While it may be a disorder, it does not have to be acted upon.
    (kind of reminds you of the whole homosexual arguments, doesn't it.)

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    Interesting that most of the statistics don't disclose same-sex assault figures. They break down almost all other demographic data but exclude that. Political propaganda by official agencies maybe? Maybe the same as the FBI doesn't disclose the statistics about crimes with legally purchased guns and illegally obtained guns.
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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    It has to, if the first two are true. If I can't CHOOSE to be gay, neither then can I CHOOSE to be hetero.

    The difference is, pedophilia is more rare, and harmful. Heterosexuality is the norm, and not harmful by it's nature. Homosexuality is less rare, but also not harmful.
    Thank you. Your post demonstrates consistency.
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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisshort View Post
    So you think homosexuality is a disorder too?
    Not at all. Please post where I said that.
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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisshort View Post
    Neither is pedophilia if you don't act on it.
    Incorrect. The distress that it can cause, either through action, non-action, or because of the thoughts themselves demonstrate the disorder.
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