View Poll Results: Do you believe pedophilia is a disorder?

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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisshort View Post
    Gays are 2% of society so it qualifies as deviant behavior. It is not the social norm.
    So let me get this straight: everything you see around you that is in the "minority" is deviant?

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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Quote Originally Posted by GBFAN View Post
    Why is homosexuality protected by the government, but pedophilia isn't?
    One causes harm to a vulnerable person, the other doesn't.

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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    One causes harm to a vulnerable person, the other doesn't.
    The reason for confusion in a lot of these cases is when the person is basing his question on his religious beliefs: if he believes a thing to be a sin, then anything that fits the definition of a sin de facto causes harm.

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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    You realize this is the exact argument used by many pedophiles right, that the kid wanted it

    A 7 year old is not capable of consenting to sex, particularly when there are cultural/religious taboos against refusing and oh yeah, they're half the size of the adult so have no way of refusing.
    We need to put aside our personal experiences and cultural context when assessing the situation. If I was a member of that society I would be against the policy for health reasons among others, but there is no evidence of significant harm (and it has been studied) that would justify outside interference of cultural practice they consider important. Female genital mutilation does cause quantifiable physical harm, so that practice does rise to a level that I would support outside interference, which should still be done with respect and cultural sensitivity.

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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    So let me get this straight: everything you see around you that is in the "minority" is deviant?
    Two percent of America is gay and that meets the definition of deviant behavior

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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisshort View Post
    Two percent of America is gay and that meets the definition of deviant behavior
    So a minority of anything is "deviant?"

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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    So let me get this straight: everything you see around you that is in the "minority" is deviant?
    Technically, historically, "deviant" only means different from the norm. No negative connotation whatsoever. It has only begun to take on a negative connotation in something of a slang aspect in the last two to three decades.

    A good example of how languages evolve, you could say.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Technically, historically, "deviant" only means different from the norm. No negative connotation whatsoever. It has only begun to take on a negative connotation in something of a slang aspect in the last two to three decades.

    A good example of how languages evolve, you could say.
    I know, but he was using a particularly derogatory word for "outside of the norm," and was applying it to homosexuality on the basis of it being in the minority. So I'm curious if he would be just as ready to use "deviant" as his go-to choice for, say, left handedness, not liking apple pie or hating Game of Thrones (actually I would opt for "deviant" on that last one).

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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I know, but he was using a particularly derogatory word for "outside of the norm," and was applying it to homosexuality on the basis of it being in the minority. So I'm curious if he would be just as ready to use "deviant" as his go-to choice for, say, left handedness, not liking apple pie or hating Game of Thrones (actually I would opt for "deviant" on that last one).
    In the discussion you were having, I believe the other person was being purposely and disingenuously obtuse.

    Yes, gays are 'deviant' in that homosexuality is not "the norm", as in it is a minority, but no, gays are not 'deviant' in the more current slang aspect of the term. And I believe that pretty much everybody who tries to make an argument that gays are 'deviant' knows full well what they're doing.

    Shoot, the word 'gay' itself has changed/evolved over the last century. While it still means what it originally meant, it is seldom used in that context anymore.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisshort View Post
    You claimed being gay causes no distress and I proved you wrong, get over it.
    No, you did not prove that wrong. Being gay does not cause distress. How people treat gays, especially as it used to be, does cause alot of distress. Let me tell you a true story, something I witnessed myself so I know it is true.

    A woman came out of the closet(came to realize she was gay, at the time no one really knew any gay people or what those feelings meant) in about 1971, in a small town in Michigan. Being a small town, and her husband(soon to be ex husband for obvious reasons) was a well known person around town, every one knew within a week. She was promptly fired from her decent job that she had held for a number of years, she was told not to return to her church ever gain, and her two children(aged 7 and 5 at the time) got to listen to a sermon explaining how their mother, by name, was going to burn in hell and they had to band together to protect those two children(pointed out where they sat) from her pernicious wickedness. Thankfully their father at that point decided it was too much for his bawling children and left the building and took them home.

    Her mother would no longer speak to her, nor would her brother(his wife however rallied around her and within a year he relented, if only to get his wife to stop complaining...even after their divorce, she was always considered family by the woman and her children. Her father would still talk to her, but expressed dismay at what he felt was her poor choice. The local judge in charge of the child custody case for her two children decided that a gay household was not a fit place for children and took them from her, giving her only supervised visitation, because he was worried she would teach her kids to be gay(in fact, she hoped and prayed they would not be...who would wish the kind of **** she had been put through on their kids?). Her neighbors pointedly refused to have anything to do with her and would not allow their kids to so much as speak to her.

    She could not find a job in the town she lived in and had to find a job in the nearest large city, about an hours drive away, where she was anonymous. Some one contacted her first employer over there and let them know she was gay. She was fired. She finally got a job and was able to keep it(and excelled, she is quite smart and motivated), and eventually moved to the big city for the anonymity, but not before having a breakdown and spending about a month in a facility(I am not exactly sure what the "facility" was, though I assume it was a mental hospital). She did get one weekend of that month away from the facility and it broke her sons heart how weirdly proud she was of the belt she had made him there, with crooked letters of his name on it, but he wore the belt until he outgrew it. It was a very awkward weekend for her kids, as she seemed so off.

    Now you tell me, was that breakdown caused by her being gay, or was it caused by the way others treated her because she was gay? To give you a hint, once she had been in the big city some time, and not every one was busy actively and pointedly ostracizing her, her life dramatically improved. She learned to be more confident, she completed college that she had started before being married, got a good job, had a couple beautiful houses before she retired and moved to Georgia(and the house she lives in now is nice, and she is having a home built next door to her daughter that will be spectacular when done, in a gated community full of rich people) and is very down to earth and well adapted and comfortable...and still gay. She still has some scars, mostly in what she feels she put her kids through when they where young, but she is popular and happy and well off.
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