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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Family Research Council - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    You might as well have linked to conservapedia.
    I'm interested in all opinons. If a hate group I find detestable, like the SPLC or the ACLU says something that proves me wrong. Then so be it. I was proven wrong.

    But to automatically condem everything a group says as pure fiction just because you don't like their views---is bigotry and intolerance.
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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    There are a few types of pedophiles:

    One type is not particularly attracted to children but will molest or rape them because, or when, they are readily available and vulnerable.

    There are those with an attraction to children but never act on it.

    There are those with an attraction to children that do act on it.

    There are those with an attraction to one gender of child.

    There are those who are attracted to both genders of children.

    The first one is not a pedophile, but probably has another mental disorder. (such as an impulse control problem)

    In our culture, all pedophiles have a disorder except for possibly a person who does not act on their attraction to children and is at peace with his situation.

    Those pedophiles who are attracted to both genders, or those who are not particularly attracted to children but will molest or rape them because it is convenient (and even if their victim is the same gender as them), may be bi, bi with children only, or homosexual with children only.
    Those with pedophillic issues should first try to get help for it, thearpy, salvation, anything to halt it.

    Those adults who are convicted on hard evidence of pedophillia should be hanged. Let the talking heads classify it all they want.

    Because, sometimes bad is bad.
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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flamethrower View Post
    I'm interested in all opinons. If a hate group I find detestable, like the SPLC or the ACLU says something that proves me wrong. Then so be it. I was proven wrong.

    But to automatically condem everything a group says as pure fiction just because you don't like their views---is bigotry and intolerance.
    Nothing "bigoted" or "intolerant" of it. You made a factual claim, that being that homosexuals commit acts of pedophilia outside of their statistical population. Instead of linking to an actual scientific study concluding this, you linked to another blogger who makes the same claim who in turn does not link to a scientific study. He does attempt to perform a type of deductive reasoning (to which he cites sources...badly), but does not cite any studies to that claim specifically.


    At this rate, the Family Research Council should support its position by linking to your claim in post #16 and the circle can be complete.

    This is why we consider certain sources "bad." They post a lot of made-up opinions with nothing to substantiate them.
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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Being a pedophile is not a crime... it IS a disorder. ACTING on being a pedophile is a crime. It's a little bit sematical but that's the distinction.
    I just hope no child in your family is molested by a pedophile....You might change your mind on the issue if that happened.
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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I just hope no child in your family is molested by a pedophile....You might change your mind on the issue if that happened.
    You gotta love the word games people play.

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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    I'm sorry that you can't concept that sometimes prison actually makes things worse and turns people more towards the negative behavior, and not away. While I will agree that a person who actually acts upon pedophillic desires deserves to be jailed, jailing them will not address the source of the problem. You're just as effective to give a person antibiotics for an infection without treating the rotting tissue that is causing the infection.



    Ah because such people can never make typing errors or inadvertent word switches. Well in that case I would guess the Christians thought they could get away with requiring adultery ---but we're caught. (Ref:wicked bible)



    which still doesn't address the question asked. The overall point of pedophilia being made a disorder is so that those who have not yet harmed a child can get help. Yet and your ilk would just as soon put them to death the moment you learn of their desires instead of helping them overcome their disorder. But hey let's continue with your logic. If a person commits murder due to being mentally retarded, would hanging them be an effective deterrent to others becoming mentally retarded...as well as a permanent end of the behavior for the guilty party? Don't forget to answer both questions.
    Belive it or not, I am very liberal on some issues. Like the prison system for the last 200 years. At least in the US---a failure. Would you take a pill that didn't work or made you worse 67% of the time? The liberalization of the criminal justice system over the last 60 years has made our prison systems even more of a failure.

    We don't need to put people in jail for stealing a loaf of bread for being hungry, or place them in stocks and let the public throw rotted food at them. But certainly prisoners should be forced to work outside at least 6 days a week weather permitting. For new offenders, prision boot camps are a good idea, for repeat offenders, esp. violent ones, hard time in chain gangs for no more than a few years is in order. If anyone does any violent act bad enough to spend more than 10 years in prison, espeically for a career felon, then captial punishment should be used. No life sentances.

    The APA making a typo in their DSM? Pleeeaaasssseeee. The Christians who think they can bypass hardcore moral laws are far worse than any secular pagan at the APA. Those who preach what they think or feels good and not moral laws straight out of the Bible are at best, false teachers.

    Enough with the Strawman already. I said that only the pedophiles convicted of having sexaul acts with children under 12 should be hanged. Otherwise, they should seek help before they act.

    "Mentally retarded" is another constantly evolving diagnosis---and very subjective at that. Notice how the courts have two sets of experts on each side of the court, one saying they are retarded, and one they are not. Someone is wrong.

    I go by the standard measure of what insanity is: The person doesn't know what they are doing is wrong. If there is ANY attempt at lying about the crime, covering it up, or attempting to flee---then they are not insane. If someone without Down's syndrome and classified as being "retarded" AND they tried to lie, cover it up or flee---then there should be a right to imprison or hang them based on the crime.

    An insane person, for instance, would chop someone up with an ax, then leave a bloody trail to his home where he will be found watching TV. The threat of capital punishment would be no deterrent for such a person.
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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    All sexual preferences are equal and to be accepted without question. Nothing is abnormal. This is the 21st century!

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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flamethrower View Post
    In Liberal LA-LA-Land, no homosexual behavior is bad---it's all good.

    I'm from the world of individual accountability. One must attest for their own behavior and actions. What is dishonest is not to think man on boy pepohilia is not homosexual behavior---it is homoseexual behavior of the worst kind.

    Anyone who has persistant homosexual desires, and has made no effort to break them, is still a homosexual. But until they have commited a homosexual act, they haven't commited an immoral or unnatural act.

    A pedophile who is sexually attracted to children, yet never molests one, is still a pedophile---but has commited no crime.

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    Meh. You are entitled to your opinion.

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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Being a pedophile is not a crime... it IS a disorder. ACTING on being a pedophile is a crime. It's a little bit sematical but that's the distinction.
    Being a murderer is not a crime either until you act on it...
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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I just hope no child in your family is molested by a pedophile....You might change your mind on the issue if that happened.
    Child molesters are not always pedophile's...
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    I have pooped in public, even in public neighborhoods.
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    Usually a gag for wise mouthed insulting little girls. Then some good nylon rope so I can tie them up, toss them in the trunk of my car and forget about them.

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