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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Why not leave diagnosticians and law enforcers deal with it? Who cares what the sources behind actions of pedo's are anyway?
    Because it is actually important. Why not say who aces about the cause of someone's depression? Because if it is environmentally caused, the treating it as genetic/a disorder can actually cause more harm than help. Additionally, one of the main underlying themes of this thread is about those pedophiles who have not harmed children and are seeking help.
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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Because it is actually important. Why not say who aces about the cause of someone's depression? Because if it is environmentally caused, the treating it as genetic/a disorder can actually cause more harm than help. Additionally, one of the main underlying themes of this thread is about those pedophiles who have not harmed children and are seeking help.
    I just stop thinking about sources behind actions of pedo's once they do crime.
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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flamethrower View Post
    I am only stating the facts---and the facts are that most pedophiles are not homosexuals, but that homosexuals commit acts of pedophilia far outside their statistical population.
    There are a few types of pedophiles:

    One type is not particularly attracted to children but will molest or rape them because, or when, they are readily available and vulnerable.

    There are those with an attraction to children but never act on it.

    There are those with an attraction to children that do act on it.

    There are those with an attraction to one gender of child.

    There are those who are attracted to both genders of children.

    The first one is not a pedophile, but probably has another mental disorder. (such as an impulse control problem)

    In our culture, all pedophiles have a disorder except for possibly a person who does not act on their attraction to children and is at peace with his situation.

    Those pedophiles who are attracted to both genders, or those who are not particularly attracted to children but will molest or rape them because it is convenient (and even if their victim is the same gender as them), may be bi, bi with children only, or homosexual with children only.
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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    How could anyone think that a 7-year old child could legally give its consent to anything?
    It seems that in cultures all around the globe this happened. It must have been a behavior that did not destabilize societies very much and may have had survival value under the situations pertaining in less privileged one than our own.

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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flamethrower View Post
    Capital punishment and prison time serve as punishments----justice----AND behavior modification therapy.
    I'm sorry that you can't concept that sometimes prison actually makes things worse and turns people more towards the negative behavior, and not away. While I will agree that a person who actually acts upon pedophillic desires deserves to be jailed, jailing them will not address the source of the problem. You're just as effective to give a person antibiotics for an infection without treating the rotting tissue that is causing the infection.

    Liberal psuedoscientists have been keen to use their evolving standards of indecency to justify criminal and unnatural acts.

    The APA thought they could get away with listing pedophillia as a "sexual orientation" in their DSM 5---but were caught.

    Quickly changing their diagnosis shows just how laughable their "science" is.
    Ah because such people can never make typing errors or inadvertent word switches. Well in that case I would guess the Christians thought they could get away with requiring adultery ---but we're caught. (Ref:wicked bible)

    I say hanging pedophiles convicted of their actions is both a deterrent to other like people---and a permanent end of the behavior for the quilty party.
    which still doesn't address the question asked. The overall point of pedophilia being made a disorder is so that those who have not yet harmed a child can get help. Yet and your ilk would just as soon put them to death the moment you learn of their desires instead of helping them overcome their disorder. But hey let's continue with your logic. If a person commits murder due to being mentally retarded, would hanging them be an effective deterrent to others becoming mentally retarded...as well as a permanent end of the behavior for the guilty party? Don't forget to answer both questions.
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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    I just stop thinking about sources behind actions of pedo's once they do crime.

    Do you stop thinking about the sources behind all action of anyone once they commit a crime?
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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Well, it's pedophilia. We use different words to describe things. If I say you're a heterosexual, everyone assumes that your sexual attractions are to consenting adults of the opposite sex. Same with homosexual. There is a different word we use to describe sexual interest or sex acts with children - pedophilia.

    I have no idea what purpose is served by conflating terms with different meanings.
    Look at any dictonary to understand what the word homosexual is.
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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    That depends on whether it is consensual and whether it creates pain or harm for the participants. For example, the book "Perv" refers to a New Guinea tribe that believes that consuming semen is healthy for near-pubescent boys and provides it to them in a manner that our culture would consider humiliating and likely to be traumatic. Apparently it is not considered harmful to the people involved. If it genuinely is consensual and does not creates pain or harm for the participants, then I do not disapprove. Cultural context is very significant when considering harm.
    Many Muslims take child brides and it is considered fine and dandy . Do that here you go to jail and IMO rightly so. Conversely if you are homosexual in the same Muslim area where you can take a twelve year old bride you may be stoned to death

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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisshort View Post
    Many Muslims take child brides and it is considered fine and dandy . Do that here you go to jail and IMO rightly so. Conversely if you are homosexual in the same Muslim area where you can take a twelve year old bride you may be stoned to death
    not that we'd want to emulate the Muslim nations.

    Would we?
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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Your failure is that you don't realize that the definitions apply to two different things. The first applies to a person. It even says so right in the definition. "...direct(ing) sexual desire toward another of the same sex". The second applies to the action. A heterosexual can perform a homosexual act without having any desire towards their same sex. Likewise a homosexual can perform a heterosexual act without having any desire towards the opposite gender. For that matter a homosexual is a homosexual even if they never have sex with anyone in their entire life.
    Sorry, but your dissertation on the fine points of what YOUR narrow interpretation should be---isn't.

    A theif steals. Someone who steals is a thief.

    A person with homosexual desires, but who never goes through the act----may still be classified as one----but doing it for sure makes them one. Dosen't matter if gay man has sex with a grown male, a 9 year old boy or a infant boy---that is still having "same sex"--ie---homosexual relations.
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