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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flamethrower View Post
    There is no real medical cure for pedophilia. I'll go by a what a common man in a jury would believe a young child, per-pubrety, would be. Just to be safe, 12 and under.
    At what point did I make any claim towards a cure for pedophilia? There are numberous disorders for which there are no cures, yet people can treat and maintain these disorders and live normal or near normal lives. The age I listed is the medical definition. The legal definition of course can be different, going as low as 10, should a state wish, and range up to 18. Legal and medical definitions do not always match.

    Pedophiles continue to rape children at a rate up to 50 percent---about the fatality rate of Ebola viruses. Imprisonment and psychotherapy are failed therapies. The only sure way to treat pedophila "disorders-HA" is by capital punishment.
    Pessimism About Pedophilia - Harvard Health Publications
    We are currently only treating pedophilia as a criminal event and not a disorder. Therefore we are not actually treating pedophilia at its root. If we can treat kleptomania, then we can treat pedophillia. Like kleptomania, a variety of methods will be necessary. The source of the disorder will not be the same in all pedophiles, nor will their reactions to various drugs and therapies be the same. If we don't treat the source of the problem, then it will continue to resurface.

    Theives should do hard time on chain gangs. If you like cutting the hands off people, then move to Saudi Arabia.
    I find it very telling that you didn't actually address the point of the question of do you punish the kleptomaniac before he steals.
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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flamethrower View Post
    Like ones who hate Christian groups like the Family Research Council.

    Do you have no tolerance for those with opinions of your own?


    This sentence doesn't make sense.

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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisshort View Post
    Do you realize that in some cultures and or religions pedophilia is not disapproved of? Does that make it OK too?
    That depends on whether it is consensual and whether it creates pain or harm for the participants. For example, the book "Perv" refers to a New Guinea tribe that believes that consuming semen is healthy for near-pubescent boys and provides it to them in a manner that our culture would consider humiliating and likely to be traumatic. Apparently it is not considered harmful to the people involved. If it genuinely is consensual and does not creates pain or harm for the participants, then I do not disapprove. Cultural context is very significant when considering harm.

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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    To me this is unnecessary complication and/or slicing hair compared to what I stated.
    So I guess when an explosion occurs then you consider it splitting hairs whether it was dynamite or C4? The reason and source behind the action can be very important, even if two separate sources can cause the same results. If for no other reason, it determines how the treat.handle the person. Well outside the concept of kill them all. For example, an adult sees a young girl in a short skirt and halter top. To teach the girl a "lesson" about such "slutty behavior" (s)he sexually assaults the girl. This is not a pedophile as they are not attracted to the child. A girl that wears long skirts, and high neck blouses would be safe from this individual as they are not a pedophile. Mentally deranged, yes. And by legal definitions, yes. But any treatment under the idea that they are a pedophile would fail because they are treating the wrong source.
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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flamethrower View Post
    In Liberal LA-LA-Land, no homosexual behavior is bad---it's all good.

    I'm from the world of individual accountability. One must attest for their own behavior and actions. What is dishonest is not to think man on boy pepohilia is not homosexual behavior---it is homoseexual behavior of the worst kind.
    Well, it's pedophilia. We use different words to describe things. If I say you're a heterosexual, everyone assumes that your sexual attractions are to consenting adults of the opposite sex. Same with homosexual. There is a different word we use to describe sexual interest or sex acts with children - pedophilia.

    I have no idea what purpose is served by conflating terms with different meanings.

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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    So I guess when an explosion occurs then you consider it splitting hairs whether it was dynamite or C4? The reason and source behind the action can be very important, even if two separate sources can cause the same results. If for no other reason, it determines how the treat.handle the person. Well outside the concept of kill them all. For example, an adult sees a young girl in a short skirt and halter top. To teach the girl a "lesson" about such "slutty behavior" (s)he sexually assaults the girl. This is not a pedophile as they are not attracted to the child. A girl that wears long skirts, and high neck blouses would be safe from this individual as they are not a pedophile. Mentally deranged, yes. And by legal definitions, yes. But any treatment under the idea that they are a pedophile would fail because they are treating the wrong source.
    Why not leave diagnosticians and law enforcers deal with it? Who cares what the sources behind actions of pedo's are anyway?
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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flamethrower View Post
    Definition of Homosexual:


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    : of, relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire toward another of the same sex


    2

    : of, relating to, or involving sexual intercourse between persons of the same sex

    The word is what the word is. A male having sexual relations---rape or otherwise---has commited a homosexual act. A male man desiring to have sex with a boy is still a homosexual.

    I'll go by what the traditional meaning and understanding of what homosexaulity is----not a white-washed, feel-good, new age, Orwellian understanding of what you think it should be.
    Your failure is that you don't realize that the definitions apply to two different things. The first applies to a person. It even says so right in the definition. "...direct(ing) sexual desire toward another of the same sex". The second applies to the action. A heterosexual can perform a homosexual act without having any desire towards their same sex. Likewise a homosexual can perform a heterosexual act without having any desire towards the opposite gender. For that matter a homosexual is a homosexual even if they never have sex with anyone in their entire life.
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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flamethrower View Post
    Go back to post #16.
    The Family Research Council (FRC) is an American conservative Christian group and lobbying organization formed in the United States in 1981 by James Dobson. It was incorporated in 1983.[2] In the late 1980s, the FRC officially became a division of Dobson's main organization, Focus on the Family, but after an administrative separation, the FRC became an independent entity in 1992. Tony Perkins is the current president.

    The FRC promotes what it considers to be traditional family values, by advocating and lobbying for socially conservative policies. It opposes and lobbies against LGBT rights (such as same-sex marriage and LGBT adoption), abortion, divorce, embryonic stem-cell research and pornography.
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    You might as well have linked to conservapedia.

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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Crime.
    Alcoholism is a crime? When you give only one answer to two blanks, one can only assume that you mean it to apply to both blanks.
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    Re: Would you call pedephelia a disorder?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    At what point did I make any claim towards a cure for pedophilia? There are numberous disorders for which there are no cures, yet people can treat and maintain these disorders and live normal or near normal lives. The age I listed is the medical definition. The legal definition of course can be different, going as low as 10, should a state wish, and range up to 18. Legal and medical definitions do not always match.



    We are currently only treating pedophilia as a criminal event and not a disorder. Therefore we are not actually treating pedophilia at its root. If we can treat kleptomania, then we can treat pedophillia. Like kleptomania, a variety of methods will be necessary. The source of the disorder will not be the same in all pedophiles, nor will their reactions to various drugs and therapies be the same. If we don't treat the source of the problem, then it will continue to resurface.



    I find it very telling that you didn't actually address the point of the question of do you punish the kleptomaniac before he steals.
    Capital punishment and prison time serve as punishments----justice----AND behavior modification therapy.

    Even primative Amerindian savages had moral laws and consequences for breaking them.

    Liberal psuedoscientists have been keen to use their evolving standards of indecency to justify criminal and unnatural acts.

    The APA thought they could get away with listing pedophillia as a "sexual orientation" in their DSM 5---but were caught.

    Quickly changing their diagnosis shows just how laughable their "science" is.

    I say hanging pedophiles convicted of their actions is both a deterrent to other like people---and a permanent end of the behavior for the quilty party.
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