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Flauntingly religious conservatives, do they hurt conservatism overall?

Flauntingly religious conservatives, do they hurt conservatism overall?

  • Yes

    Votes: 30 83.3%

  • No

    Votes: 6 16.7%
  • Total voters
    36
Paleocon said:
What are you babbling about?

If you think medieval Europe was full of liberals then I can't help you.
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You claiming that religion is what causes conservatism or that religion predates conservatism is what amounts to babble.


That and the fact that you can't comprehend my post also says a lot.
 
Ryan5 said:
You claiming that religion is what causes conservatism or that religion predates conservatism is what amounts to babble.


That and the fact that you can't comprehend my post also says a lot.
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Frankly, if you are so utterly and absolutely ignorant of all history before the last two hundred years, that you honestly think conservatism is irreligious, then you're beyond help.
 
No.

I'm conservative, but fiscally conservative. Party is irrelevant - I want the politician who wants smaller government with less spending and more individual responsibility.

The "flauntingly" religious people don't hurt me in any way. I don't care if they have religious views and "flaunt" them. Not sure what that means, BTW. Being religious isn't something people are supposed to be ashamed of. Saying you're religious - which I happen not to be but others are - and voicing your religious beliefs still isn't illegal, last I checked.

Most of the people who worry about and are antagonized by the uber-religious people are often Liberals looking to score points, or people who think Conservatism is strictly defined by views on sexuality and abortion. It's not. That isn't what Conservatism is all about to all people who self-identify as "Conservatives"..
 
The vocal religious folk are actually performing a wonderful community service.

They set the perfect stage to allow the 'tolerance crowd' to display all that tolerance they preach.

With some effort and practice the 'tolerant crowd' may even become what they want to espouse.

Maybe.

Or maybe they will never understand the hypocrisy of their words and deeds.

Thom Paine
 
Ryan5 said:
I've noticed this phenomena throughout my life being extremely conservative myself. Openly religious people tend to "Judge your conservatism against theirs" EVEN when your conservatism is far deeper than their own. I've noticed that such types are the exact people that do the most damage to conservatism on all levels. (I'm saying this as a conservative person). I just can't stand it. It makes me sick seeing someone go around acting as if their religion somehow makes them conservative. IN my experience religious people of all walks are some of the most non-conservative lifestyle people you'd ever meet yet then they put a cross on and "walla" they're ready to supposedly judge on others.



-How are you more conservative than me because you wear religious jewelry? (They're actually serious)

-How are you more conservative than me because you wear a certain attire? (Again, they're actually serious)

-Do you truly believe that you can't be conservative and non religious? What do you think conservatives did before the fantasies (religions) were adopted?
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The way I view it whether it is the liberals trying to force their views and values upon us by force of law or whether it is the religious right trying to force their views and values upon us by force of law, using government and the law to do so makes both groups statist. Being statist destroys the first group of being liberal or at least classical liberal which at one time believed in individual freedoms which sparked the Revolutionary War. Being statist destroys the conservatism of the religious right as traditional conservatism believes government should not be involved in a citizens private business and lives.
 
Ryan5 said:
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Wow! Impressive painting!
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no vote for me because i think the answer is BOTH

those nutjobs have never hurt conservatism for me because it would be dumb and dishonest to jude conservatism based on its nutters.

But there are lots of people out there that do get turned off and do judge based on the nutters or squeaky wheels or what gets the most exposure. Thats unfortunate and part of the problem.

there are millions of "conservatives" that support equal rights/SSM just like there are millions of "lefties" that support gun rights :shrug:

judging either whole on its parts is silly and the reason why im an independant who often gets labeled by those that cant defend thier own statements.

If its a equal rates or abortion thread i get called a lefty if its a guns rights, military or finance thread i get called a righty etc

THe best part is as soon as that happens the made themselves lose :D
 
upsideguy said:
Is there an english translation to this? I haven't a clue what you are trying to say. The way it reads to me is complete nonsense, and since nonsense is not what I think you intended, I think you need to try this again.
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Not complete non-sense, a progressive didn't write it.

Should an actual human being not understand it and requests clarification, I will be happy to explain it to them. If a lefty don't understand it, then that means it was an intelligent comment.
 
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Ryan5 said:
I've noticed this phenomena throughout my life being extremely conservative myself. Openly religious people tend to "Judge your conservatism against theirs" EVEN when your conservatism is far deeper than their own. I've noticed that such types are the exact people that do the most damage to conservatism on all levels. (I'm saying this as a conservative person). I just can't stand it. It makes me sick seeing someone go around acting as if their religion somehow makes them conservative. IN my experience religious people of all walks are some of the most non-conservative lifestyle people you'd ever meet yet then they put a cross on and "walla" they're ready to supposedly judge on others.



-How are you more conservative than me because you wear religious jewelry? (They're actually serious)

-How are you more conservative than me because you wear a certain attire? (Again, they're actually serious)

-Do you truly believe that you can't be conservative and non religious? What do you think conservatives did before the fantasies (religions) were adopted?
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I tend to believe that flauntingly extreme anything hurts whatever their side/cause may be, so yes.
 
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