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    Re: Flauntingly religious conservatives, do they hurt conservatism overall?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    The people that want reasonable conservative candidates to get into office. Ones that base their platforms on actual conservative principles that address govt and not peoples' private lives or views based solely on religion (for example, 'murder' against the law is a widely held principle, as well as most religions. While Blue Laws are/were laws based on religion and are not widely held by others.)
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    Re: Flauntingly religious conservatives, do they hurt conservatism overall?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    No, not in all demographics. But then again, most of the religious "right" was actually part of the Dems and the Left 30-40 years ago. Many of them may hurt conservatives only because they are not conservatives and there are too many people as dumb as liberals who think they are.
    Is there an english translation to this? I haven't a clue what you are trying to say. The way it reads to me is complete nonsense, and since nonsense is not what I think you intended, I think you need to try this again.

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    Re: Flauntingly religious conservatives, do they hurt conservatism overall?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    I'm sure that conservatives around the globe are thankful that they have you to tell them what they want...
    Hey, the religious have ignored reality to their own detriment many times...I don't expect them to change, Religious fundamentalists are, by definition and dogmatic nature, unable to change, period
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    Re: Flauntingly religious conservatives, do they hurt conservatism overall?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    The modern attempt to separate conservatism from religion is foolish and ignorant of history.

    From when the French Revolutionaries were first opposed, conservatism has been linked with religious faith.

    If you think conservatism predates religion, then you frankly don't have a clue about history.



    It does predate religion. Who do you truly think were the individuals to decide to write down the various religions? Are you truly saying they were liberals or some form of anti traditionalists before they decided to codify traditions into religions on paper? That's entirely irrational to even suggest that conservatism has anything at all to do with religion. Conservatism (traditionalism) absolutely predates codified religion.

    Try telling the ancient barbarians of Europe that the raping Christian Romans were the actual traditionalists. Try telling the Aztecs that the raping Spanish Catholics were the traditionalists.

    Something tells me the Barbarians and Aztecs disagreed.

    Face it. Religion is the ultimate Liberalism. The ultimate historical justification for cultural and historical rape and genocide of peoples everywhere. Religion is inherently an anti traditionalist ideology in its very core being. It has to first annihilate all original culture.


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    Re: Flauntingly religious conservatives, do they hurt conservatism overall?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    It does predate religion. Who do you truly think were the individuals to decide to write down the various religions? Are you truly saying they were liberals or some form of anti traditionalists before they decided to codify traditions into religions on paper? That's entirely irrational to even suggest that conservatism has anything at all to do with religion. Conservatism (traditionalism) absolutely predates codified religion.

    Try telling the ancient barbarians of Europe that the raping Christian Romans were the actual traditionalists. Try telling the Aztecs that the raping Spanish Catholics were the traditionalists.

    Something tells me the Barbarians and Aztecs disagreed.

    Face it. Religion is the ultimate Liberalism. The ultimate historical justification for cultural and historical rape and genocide of peoples everywhere. Religion is inherently an anti traditionalist ideology in its very core being. It has to first annihilate all original culture.

    What are you babbling about?

    If you think medieval Europe was full of liberals then I can't help you.

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    Re: Flauntingly religious conservatives, do they hurt conservatism overall?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    What are you babbling about?

    If you think medieval Europe was full of liberals then I can't help you.
    You claiming that religion is what causes conservatism or that religion predates conservatism is what amounts to babble.


    That and the fact that you can't comprehend my post also says a lot.

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    Re: Flauntingly religious conservatives, do they hurt conservatism overall?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    You claiming that religion is what causes conservatism or that religion predates conservatism is what amounts to babble.


    That and the fact that you can't comprehend my post also says a lot.
    Frankly, if you are so utterly and absolutely ignorant of all history before the last two hundred years, that you honestly think conservatism is irreligious, then you're beyond help.

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    Re: Flauntingly religious conservatives, do they hurt conservatism overall?

    No.

    I'm conservative, but fiscally conservative. Party is irrelevant - I want the politician who wants smaller government with less spending and more individual responsibility.

    The "flauntingly" religious people don't hurt me in any way. I don't care if they have religious views and "flaunt" them. Not sure what that means, BTW. Being religious isn't something people are supposed to be ashamed of. Saying you're religious - which I happen not to be but others are - and voicing your religious beliefs still isn't illegal, last I checked.

    Most of the people who worry about and are antagonized by the uber-religious people are often Liberals looking to score points, or people who think Conservatism is strictly defined by views on sexuality and abortion. It's not. That isn't what Conservatism is all about to all people who self-identify as "Conservatives"..
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    Re: Flauntingly religious conservatives, do they hurt conservatism overall?

    The vocal religious folk are actually performing a wonderful community service.

    They set the perfect stage to allow the 'tolerance crowd' to display all that tolerance they preach.

    With some effort and practice the 'tolerant crowd' may even become what they want to espouse.

    Maybe.

    Or maybe they will never understand the hypocrisy of their words and deeds.

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    Re: Flauntingly religious conservatives, do they hurt conservatism overall?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    I've noticed this phenomena throughout my life being extremely conservative myself. Openly religious people tend to "Judge your conservatism against theirs" EVEN when your conservatism is far deeper than their own. I've noticed that such types are the exact people that do the most damage to conservatism on all levels. (I'm saying this as a conservative person). I just can't stand it. It makes me sick seeing someone go around acting as if their religion somehow makes them conservative. IN my experience religious people of all walks are some of the most non-conservative lifestyle people you'd ever meet yet then they put a cross on and "walla" they're ready to supposedly judge on others.



    -How are you more conservative than me because you wear religious jewelry? (They're actually serious)

    -How are you more conservative than me because you wear a certain attire? (Again, they're actually serious)

    -Do you truly believe that you can't be conservative and non religious? What do you think conservatives did before the fantasies (religions) were adopted?
    The way I view it whether it is the liberals trying to force their views and values upon us by force of law or whether it is the religious right trying to force their views and values upon us by force of law, using government and the law to do so makes both groups statist. Being statist destroys the first group of being liberal or at least classical liberal which at one time believed in individual freedoms which sparked the Revolutionary War. Being statist destroys the conservatism of the religious right as traditional conservatism believes government should not be involved in a citizens private business and lives.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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