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    Re: Should Nonviolent drug offenders get their voting rights back?

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    They can't vote for the same reason drug sentencing is so unjust to begin with. Most americans were/are terrified of crime and no politician wants to look lenient in any way.
    That's actually the cause of the schizophrenia of crime, law enforcement and punishment in the United States. Most people agree that the militarization of the police, minimum sentencing, asset forfeiture, violence in prisons and permanent loss of voting rights are bad, but any political candidate who runs against those things will be turned into a skid mark for being "soft on crime."

    What people say and how they vote are completely divergent.
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    Re: Should Nonviolent drug offenders get their voting rights back?

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    It is a punishment that continues after the sentence is satisfied, just as some jurisdictions continue to prevent felons from voting after their sentence has been completed.
    You mean it's a continuation of the sentence, and you know what else is? The fact it's so damn difficult to find work at even a temp agency if you have a record. Even housing, i know a case where a guy with full time job has to stay at a homeless shelter because he's had over 20 apartment app rejections. Then the shelter is often locked when he gets off work. It's so ass backwards that we pretend to prioritize public safety, then make it *more* difficult for ex cons to avoid falling back into crime, once they're released.

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    Re: Should Nonviolent drug offenders get their voting rights back?

    yes: but voting is dumb anyways and they shouldn't do it regardless

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    Re: Should Nonviolent drug offenders get their voting rights back?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    That's actually the cause of the schizophrenia of crime, law enforcement and punishment in the United States. Most people agree that the militarization of the police, minimum sentencing, asset forfeiture and permanent loss of voting rights are bad, but any political candidate who runs against those things will be turned into a skid mark for being "soft on crime."
    CA voters actually eliminated "3 strikes" for nonviolent crimes recently, i guess after one too many outrages of people getting life sentences for stealing golf clubs. You know state legislatures should just be removed altogether if they need the voters to do even that for them.

    And what "civilized" country charges 13 year olds as adults and gives out death sentence to mental retards who can't even read the "confession" they're signing, which is later proven false by DNA? I swear our legal is stuck in the 1300s in many ways.

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    Re: Should Nonviolent drug offenders get their voting rights back?

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    CA voters actually eliminated "3 strikes" for nonviolent crimes recently, i guess after one too many outrages of people getting life sentences for stealing golf clubs. You know state legislatures should just be removed altogether if they need the voters to do even that for them.

    And what "civilized" country charges 13 year olds as adults and gives out death sentence to mental retards who can't even read the "confession" they're signing, which is later proven false by DNA? I swear our legal is stuck in the 1300s in many ways.
    We like to talk about "rehabilitation," and there are in fact numerous rehabilitative programs, such as those for learning new trades or getting degrees while in prison. But people have, consciously or unconsciously, voted consistently for a system that is weighted toward the punitive end. The result is many ex-cons who might have easily gone straight after serving their time, but instead who have themselves hopelessly and forever alienated from society and unable to successfully reintegrate.

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    Re: Should Nonviolent drug offenders get their voting rights back?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    We like to talk about "rehabilitation," and there are in fact numerous rehabilitative programs, such as those for learning new trades or getting degrees while in prison. But people have, consciously or unconsciously, voted consistently for a system that is weighted toward the punitive end. The result is many ex-cons who might have easily gone straight after serving their time, but instead who have themselves hopelessly and forever alienated from society and unable to successfully reintegrate.
    Right. We talk a good game. We continually spout noble sounding phrases like 'pay/paid your debt to society', 'innocent until proven guilty', 'fair trial', 'second chance', and so on, yet deep down I don't think we really believe any of it.

    "We" being generic, of course. There are some who truly do, but they are a small minority.

    There is a guy here in town who got out of prison in the late 1990s and couldn't find a job to save his life. I'm not sure exactly what the crime was, but as I understand it it was non-violent. Anyway, he did what he felt was his only option... he started his own business, a restaurant. Now, he owns five restaurants in the metro area, including a steak house, and is doing quite well for himself and his family.

    Now, HE did well, but he shouldn't have felt forced into it, either. Yet, as a matter of practical reality with today's societal mindset, self-employment may be the only best option for ex-cons. Maybe instead of just skills, we should be teaching them business courses as well.
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    Re: Should Nonviolent drug offenders get their voting rights back?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Simple question: Should Nonviolent drug offenders get their voting rights back?
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    Re: Should Nonviolent drug offenders get their voting rights back?

    I think it all depends on the crime. If it's an crime like what Bernie Madoff was convicted of or something else egregious that has hurt countess number of people then I say screw them. You don't have to be violent to be a completely irresponsible a**hole

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    Re: Should Nonviolent drug offenders get their voting rights back?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Simple question: Should Nonviolent drug offenders get their voting rights back?
    I didn't know that drug offenders LOST their voting rights...
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    Re: Should Nonviolent drug offenders get their voting rights back?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I didn't know that drug offenders LOST their voting rights...
    Felons do in I think most places.

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