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Thread: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marriage?

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    Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Now I'm just confused. If there's a difference between "legal marriage" and "personal marriage" then why is there so much resistance to codifying that difference in law?
    Because it is a waste of money to do so. I am a frugal person. There doesn't need to be a codified difference in the law. Most people can figure out the difference.
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    Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

    Quote Originally Posted by Gringo allstar View Post
    Why by the cow if you can get the milk for free.
    You're right, men aren't concerned with settling down and raising families. We don't want to be fathers and good family men. We're just animals, right?

    Or, perhaps, is this just you, and your personal desire to escape whatever relationship you feel stuck in?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    That is an extremely limited understanding of constitutional law you have here, but you get points for trying.

    Riddle me this, however. You mentioned that the courts haven't yet recognized any protection for same sex marriage beyond a rational basis test. This is true.
    Not actually true. It's true that the Supreme Court has not formally recognized any higher level of standards. However:

    1) Their actions in Windsor and Lawrence do imply a higher standard, based on their questions, wording of the ruling, etc.
    2) Circuit courts have applied higher levels of scrutiny, and SCOTUS has not indicated this was unwarranted.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And legalizing same-sex marriage will stem the tide, if you will, by letting more people form and sustain successful marriages. I'm glad we agree this is a necessary step!
    Ah, no. The data from the european countries where SSM has been law of the land for a couple of decades now suggests in fact that the opposite is more likely.

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    Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Because it is a waste of money to do so. I am a frugal person. There doesn't need to be a codified difference in the law. Most people can figure out the difference.
    That's just silly. A marriage license in AZ costs $76 and everyone that wants to get married has to have one. That would be no different if the legal term was changed to "civil union".

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    Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You're right, men aren't concerned with settling down and raising families. We don't want to be fathers and good family men. We're just animals, right?

    Or, perhaps, is this just you, and your personal desire to escape whatever relationship you feel stuck in?
    Touched a nerve did I ?? Actually the saying " why buy the cow " means your NOT stuck in a relationship and one is free to get sex where one can find it. You ever hear of the term " hook up culture" or better yet how about " friends with benefits"?? Where does marriage fit into this oh wise one?? So in your feeble attempt to take a shot at me for something that wasn't even directed at you, which you took personally, you missed the point completely... carry on.

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    Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Ah, no. The data from the european countries where SSM has been law of the land for a couple of decades now suggests in fact that the opposite is more likely.
    Post such data.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

    Quote Originally Posted by Gringo allstar View Post
    Touched a nerve did I ?? Actually the saying " why buy the cow " means your NOT stuck in a relationship and one is free to get sex where one can find it. You ever hear of the term " hook up culture" or better yet how about " friends with benefits"?? Where does marriage fit into this oh wise one?? So in your feeble attempt to take a shot at me for something that wasn't even directed at you, which you took personally, you missed the point completely... carry on.
    Why do you think men are only interested in sex? Don't you want to raise a family and be a good father?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Not actually true. It's true that the Supreme Court has not formally recognized any higher level of standards. However:

    1) Their actions in Windsor and Lawrence do imply a higher standard, based on their questions, wording of the ruling, etc.
    2) Circuit courts have applied higher levels of scrutiny, and SCOTUS has not indicated this was unwarranted.
    I wasn't going to bring Windsor and Lawrence into it yet. I think that they will ultimately be informative towards SSM being protected by intermediate or strict scrutiny. I admit, though, that I haven't read each circuit decision. Which ones have applied a higher standard? Perry likewise discussed a higher standard, but ultimately didn't come down on what level of protection SSM should get. I would be quite keen to read a case that went into the subject in detail. I am ultimately unsure of which level it should have. On the one hand, gender discrimination is an intermediate scrutiny issue, and SSM bans are often described as gender discrimination. But Loving went to strict and I lean more towards the inability to distinguish from Loving as the most compelling argument, rather than gender discrimination. The complete arbitrariness of prohibiting SSM suggests to me that any such law would fail a strict scrutiny test. There is simply no government interest that is actually furthered by the prohibition.
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    Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    That's just silly. A marriage license in AZ costs $76 and everyone that wants to get married has to have one. That would be no different if the legal term was changed to "civil union".
    No, you don't get it. Numerous laws would have to be updated to refer to civil unions and also there's no reason to do that.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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