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    Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I'm sorry you're against providing support for something that's natural.

    "Separate but equal" wasn't equal enough for them?
    What?

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    Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Happens in the animal kingdom all the time so its actually natural...

    Homosexual behavior in animals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    I'm talking about human nature.

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    Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    I'm talking about human nature.
    If you look at history there's been homosexual pairings since the dawn of civilization so its a part of human nature too.

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    Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

    Traditional marriage worked for the baby boomers because their parents were the WWII generation that stayed poor, mostly. The material paradigm of that era meant that getting married, playing house, and making money were the cornerstones of success. Doesn't work that way anymore. Most marriages require dual incomes, both people working full time in order to support the original material vision that their parents had. That alone divides relationships. In the U.S. people get only a couple weeks vacation per year. Most marriages are out of convenience now... people need joint health care, mortgage payments, etc. I know at least one couple who married for the insurance. People get married to game the system now, because the system is inherently greedy and keeps people from being honest.

    The other factor is the more recent generations seeing how badly marriage worked out for their parents. Divorce means the jarring division of families, large court costs if there are custody or property battles, and then there are the psychotic aspects of crazy partners going for everything the other person has.

    Marriage, as an institution, cannot possibly be sanctified in the current socioeconomic climate where communities are divided in the almighty name of the dollar. It has divided couples and communities.

    It has nothing to do with gays. In fact, inviting gays to take part shores up the institution of marriage, if anything. All the evidence shows that young gay people are not participating in huge numbers though. Why would they? Marriage contracts can lead you to financial ruin if it doesn't work out.

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    Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    I'm talking about human nature.
    Something you know very little about and like to make claims about that are based on your personal, subjective beliefs.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I think the biggest reason for the decline in heterosexual marriage is because women are finally getting better options. No longer do they have to rely on some loser man to have a stable and secure life, and they don't want to submit themselves to patriarchal nonsense. Women don't have to marry someone in order to get by, so now they aren't settling for partners that don't cut it. Much of "traditional" marriage has always been bad for women. For much of human history, it was literally sex slavery, where a woman was sold to a man by her father, and could be beaten into submission if she didn't want to have sex with her new husband (whom she had no say in choosing) and have his children. In this country alone, husbands could only be prosecuted for raping their wives since the 1970s. That's the marriage that's in decline. The marriage where women had to submit to a man in order to have a roof over her head, where her fortunes were never in her control, but were in his instead, and where she had the right not to have sex for the last 40 years (or as little as 21 years if you live in states like Oklahoma or North Carolina, or in South Carolina where marital rape prosecutions are very difficult to obtain at all, making it effectively legal today).

    But, you know, it's because people are too "egotistical" now and don't love god enough. Funny how the Christian myth involves god raping a woman and forcing her to have his child, isn't it? Sounds like the real change is that women aren't forced to give up their own wants and choices and subordinate them to a man's choices anymore. Because a woman being as willful as a man is wrong, right?



    Just like blacks wanted additional validation for their schools as being the same as those sanctioned by the white majority. Seriously, why do you need to attack the motives of gays in order to make yourself feel better? Separate but equal is unconstitutional. That means your civil union nonsense (which backwards religious schmucks only now cite as a compromise because it's too late, you fought tooth and nail to stop civil unions originally) is not sufficient. And for all your whining about religious marriage... tough. You and yours failed in whatever custodianship you ever had over society. We, the enlightened secular people, are making a better society than you ever could. And we will not ever let you drag it back down again.
    While I agree with all of this I particularly enjoyed the flourish of the last two sentences.
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    Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I'm sorry you're against providing support for something that's natural.

    "Separate but equal" wasn't equal enough for them?


    It wasn't equal enough for black people.

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    Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Good post, except the Bible interpretation. Mary presumably gave consent. One must drop all context known regarding the Bible to arrive at your whacky flamejob.

    I understand that you, by virtue of being Jewish, consider yourself the ultimate expert regarding Judaism and the Old Testament, but when did you become the final word on NT interpretation?
    More of an expert than Christians who read Christian scholars to try to find parallels in Jewish writings to justify their own beliefs. But most Jews are more of an expert on that than Christians. Studies show that mainstream Christians are the least informed about religion of everyone in this country. They know almost nothing about other religions, and members of other religions, including atheists, know more about Christianity than they do.

    Your snark aside, I know of no part of the text, in any translation, that discusses Mary's consent. I do know that she had just married Joseph and presumably was a bit more intent on sleeping with her new husband than anyone else. But then again, the very idea that a woman could refuse consent was alien to Jewish custom at the time (as well as many other cultures, including ours until a few decades ago), so it's most likely that the story never even considers her consent. And that religious tradition has certainly informed the traditional forms of marriage and how much they've sucked for women. Now that society and law don't force women into marriages in order to survive, they're picking better options.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I NEVER suggested "separate but equal". The proposal was to strike the term "marriage" from civil law and only legally recognize "civil unions". The term "marriage" would be reserved to the individuals. The idea was that since "marriage", as it is currently used, has both religious and civil meanings its use in law blurs the line between religion and the state.
    No, giving some religious groups special control over marriage and creating a lesser status for secular institutions blurs the line between religion and state. For all you keep insisting that there is some kind of religious component to marriage that supersedes all legal traditions on the subject, no one has ever offered evidence to make this true or a reason why this should matter.
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    Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    I'm talking about human nature.
    Goes back at least as far as the Roman Republic. That's 2500 years ago. Probably even further but I've no desire to look it up right now. Something been around that long it qualifies as human nature.
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    Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    More of an expert than Christians
    So, in the case of Judaism, you're the expert because you were a religious Jew; however, in the case of Christianity, you're the expert because you were and are not a Christian.

    That makes sense.

    Claiming esoteric knowledge by way of membership and then ****ting on that lame idea is rather strange behavior.
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