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    Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

    First, we really need to change how we calculate the marriage rate. It looks at how many females, 15 and older are married. It automatically throws off the numbers since there are states where no one can married under 17 or 18 (think one is even 19). That is a problem.

    Second, there is no evidence of even a correlation let alone causation between same sex marriage and a declining marriage rate here in the US or anywhere else.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

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    Go find me a computer growing on a tree and we'll talk.
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    Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

    I think the biggest reason for the decline in heterosexual marriage is because women are finally getting better options. No longer do they have to rely on some loser man to have a stable and secure life, and they don't want to submit themselves to patriarchal nonsense. Women don't have to marry someone in order to get by, so now they aren't settling for partners that don't cut it. Much of "traditional" marriage has always been bad for women. For much of human history, it was literally sex slavery, where a woman was sold to a man by her father, and could be beaten into submission if she didn't want to have sex with her new husband (whom she had no say in choosing) and have his children. In this country alone, husbands could only be prosecuted for raping their wives since the 1970s. That's the marriage that's in decline. The marriage where women had to submit to a man in order to have a roof over her head, where her fortunes were never in her control, but were in his instead, and where she had the right not to have sex for the last 40 years (or as little as 21 years if you live in states like Oklahoma or North Carolina, or in South Carolina where marital rape prosecutions are very difficult to obtain at all, making it effectively legal today).

    But, you know, it's because people are too "egotistical" now and don't love god enough. Funny how the Christian myth involves god raping a woman and forcing her to have his child, isn't it? Sounds like the real change is that women aren't forced to give up their own wants and choices and subordinate them to a man's choices anymore. Because a woman being as willful as a man is wrong, right?

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    Nah. I tried that and the result was that equal rights were insufficient. They wanted additional validation in the form of equating their union as being the same as those sanctioned by major religions.
    Just like blacks wanted additional validation for their schools as being the same as those sanctioned by the white majority. Seriously, why do you need to attack the motives of gays in order to make yourself feel better? Separate but equal is unconstitutional. That means your civil union nonsense (which backwards religious schmucks only now cite as a compromise because it's too late, you fought tooth and nail to stop civil unions originally) is not sufficient. And for all your whining about religious marriage... tough. You and yours failed in whatever custodianship you ever had over society. We, the enlightened secular people, are making a better society than you ever could. And we will not ever let you drag it back down again.
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    Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Monogamy is not contrary to nature.
    I'm sorry you're against providing support for something that's natural.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Nah. I tried that and the result was that equal rights were insufficient. They wanted additional validation in the form of equating their union as being the same as those sanctioned by major religions.
    "Separate but equal" wasn't equal enough for them?
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    Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    First, we really need to change how we calculate the marriage rate. It looks at how many females, 15 and older are married. It automatically throws off the numbers since there are states where no one can married under 17 or 18 (think one is even 19). That is a problem.

    Second, there is no evidence of even a correlation let alone causation between same sex marriage and a declining marriage rate here in the US or anywhere else.
    I think the numbers of SS marriages would have to be much higher before they started lowering the hetro marriage rate.
    I can think of one historic case, in sixteenth century Spain, the numbers on young men going into
    the priesthood, started effecting the economy. (and they were not getting married)
    I could see something like this happening in China, a byproduct of their one child policy.
    They may run out of girls to marry.

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    Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Heterosexual marriage is currently in decline, do you believe homosexual marriage is one of the reasons for that decline?

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    Since different-sex marriages have been in the decline since the mid-1960's and the first same-sex marriages in this country didn't occur until mid-2004.


    You tell us, is same-sex Civil Marriage responsible for starting a decline 40-years before there even was any same-sex Civil Marriage?



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    Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I think the biggest reason for the decline in heterosexual marriage is because women are finally getting better options. No longer do they have to rely on some loser man to have a stable and secure life, and they don't want to submit themselves to patriarchal nonsense. Women don't have to marry someone in order to get by, so now they aren't settling for partners that don't cut it. Much of "traditional" marriage has always been bad for women. For much of human history, it was literally sex slavery, where a woman was sold to a man by her father, and could be beaten into submission if she didn't want to have sex with her new husband (whom she had no say in choosing) and have his children. In this country alone, husbands could only be prosecuted for raping their wives since the 1970s. That's the marriage that's in decline. The marriage where women had to submit to a man in order to have a roof over her head, where her fortunes were never in her control, but were in his instead, and where she had the right not to have sex for the last 40 years (or as little as 21 years if you live in states like Oklahoma or North Carolina, or in South Carolina where marital rape prosecutions are very difficult to obtain at all, making it effectively legal today).

    But, you know, it's because people are too "egotistical" now and don't love god enough. Funny how the Christian myth involves god raping a woman and forcing her to have his child, isn't it? Sounds like the real change is that women aren't forced to give up their own wants and choices and subordinate them to a man's choices anymore. Because a woman being as willful as a man is wrong, right?
    Good post, except the Bible interpretation. Mary presumably gave consent. One must drop all context known regarding the Bible to arrive at your whacky flamejob.

    I understand that you, by virtue of being Jewish, consider yourself the ultimate expert regarding Judaism and the Old Testament, but when did you become the final word on NT interpretation?
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    Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Just like blacks wanted additional validation for their schools as being the same as those sanctioned by the white majority. Seriously, why do you need to attack the motives of gays in order to make yourself feel better? Separate but equal is unconstitutional. That means your civil union nonsense (which backwards religious schmucks only now cite as a compromise because it's too late, you fought tooth and nail to stop civil unions originally) is not sufficient. And for all your whining about religious marriage... tough. You and yours failed in whatever custodianship you ever had over society. We, the enlightened secular people, are making a better society than you ever could. And we will not ever let you drag it back down again.
    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I'm sorry you're against providing support for something that's natural.

    "Separate but equal" wasn't equal enough for them?
    I NEVER suggested "separate but equal". The proposal was to strike the term "marriage" from civil law and only legally recognize "civil unions". The term "marriage" would be reserved to the individuals. The idea was that since "marriage", as it is currently used, has both religious and civil meanings its use in law blurs the line between religion and the state.

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    Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I NEVER suggested "separate but equal". The proposal was to strike the term "marriage" from civil law and only legally recognize "civil unions". The term "marriage" would be reserved to the individuals. The idea was that since "marriage", as it is currently used, has both religious and civil meanings its use in law blurs the line between religion and the state.
    No. Again, religion does not own marriage. There is no reason that marriage cannot be used by the government. It would be stupid to waste time and money to change something like that just because some people don't like others being called "married".
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Is the legalization of SS marriage a cause for the decline of heterosexual marria

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Because it condones that which is not natural.
    Happens in the animal kingdom all the time so its actually natural...

    Homosexual behavior in animals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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