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    How should Christopher Columbus be judged?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    I am not saying people don't. I am saying that people who do are wrong.
    Not really. It just takes more awareness to understand that historicism became a fashionable thing for the public to accept, because they were lead to believe for 60 plus years that the modern German methodology to history was the only acceptable method (nevermind the fact that these German-trained historians didn't fully practice what they preached). It also becomes fashionable to utter these platitudes because it serves to benefit whoever does not want to critically engage with the past, be they conservatives or liberals.
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    Re: How should Christopher Columbus be judged?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    You do so, but historicism and relativism doesn't effectively remove the desirability, nor the perfectly healthy ability of each successive generation to conclude some things were more moral than others. This enables us, to for instance, consider why negative eugenics and their proponents were especially repulsive to our sensibilities. We contemporary explorers of the past have, as a result of our time and place, a much greater appreciation for those with disabilities, minority racial statuses, those who were impoverished, came from other countries to settle in the United States, and so on. This inherently is reflected in not only how society views these issues, but also how historians have approached the subject.
    I agree but isn't that different from the question in the OP. The OP asked for a yardstick by which to judge the man not his actions or his legacy. For that you necessarily have to use the morality of his time as your yardstick.
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    Re: How should Christopher Columbus be judged?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    He was judged by the standards of the day. He was such an evil bastard as governor he was returned to Spain in chains and prohibited from ever setting foot on Hispaniola again.
    Thats not fair. He was an incompetent governor (he was an explorer, not an administrator) and Bobadilla threw him in chains and sent him back to Spain, and he was then freed in a couple weeks. Half of the governors of the new territories seemed to be imprisoned at one time or another because of power struggles in a land a month away from any communication with the King and a bizarre, contradictory code of ethics (read about El Requerimiento sometime...) that made throwing someone in prison in the New World a standard practice.
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    Re: How should Christopher Columbus be judged?

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Thats not fair. He was an incompetent governor (he was an explorer, not an administrator) and Bobadilla threw him in chains and sent him back to Spain, and he was then freed in a couple weeks. Half of the governors of the new territories seemed to be imprisoned at one time or another because of power struggles in a land a month away from any communication with the King and a bizarre, contradictory code of ethics (read about El Requerimiento sometime...) that made throwing someone in prison in the New World a standard practice.
    I read that he'd been sent there to do just that, and that Columbus was only freed because he'd managed to convince Ferdinand and Isabella that he was very close to finding much more gold. He was only allowed to go back if he stayed away from Hispaniola.
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    Re: How should Christopher Columbus be judged?

    If Columbus was gay the liberals would love him.
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    Re: How should Christopher Columbus be judged?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    How should Christopher Columbus be judged?

    Being that day is Columbus Day, I read something this morning that included something to the effect of, "If judged by today's standards...", then went off to detail all his atrocities, and so on.

    Is that fair? Should he be judged by today's standards and mores, or should he be judged according to the era in which he lived?

    Note: This question is NOT about whether or not he should have a holiday named after him.
    He was an asshole by the standards of his own day.

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    Re: How should Christopher Columbus be judged?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    He was an asshole by the standards of his own day.
    He is a large part of the revisionist/false history taught in the USA. They just can't say we are a Nation founded on war and continuing to war as a National Policy to this day. You have to read revised histories of Latin America, South America, Cuba, Vietnam, Japan, Iraq, and every other Nation we have sullied with our Imperialistic resource collection. To read the history books, you'd think the USA was continually under attack or threat. What a load of crap. "War is good business, and business is good" in the good ol' USA>

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    Re: How should Christopher Columbus be judged?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    How should Christopher Columbus be judged?

    Being that day is Columbus Day, I read something this morning that included something to the effect of, "If judged by today's standards...", then went off to detail all his atrocities, and so on.

    Is that fair? Should he be judged by today's standards and mores, or should he be judged according to the era in which he lived?

    Note: This question is NOT about whether or not he should have a holiday named after him.

    He should be judged by the standards of his time.If we start demonizing people, removing holidays, renaming schools, and so on because of what we didn't like about that person then most of the people on our money would be gone, so would our holidays and we would not learn about any of the contributions they made.
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    Re: How should Christopher Columbus be judged?

    You know... It's actually kind of funny.

    Columbus was a monster by just about any metric you want to go off. In spite of that, he has been played up as some kind of hero.

    Cortez, on the other hand, was actually a fairly reasonable guy by all accounts. Yet, the way he's usually portrayed these days, you'd be forgiven for mistaking him for Attila the Hun.

    What the Hell gives?

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    Re: How should Christopher Columbus be judged?

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    If Columbus was gay the liberals would love him.
    This... I'm not even sure what to do with this.
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