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    Re: How should Christopher Columbus be judged?

    Was he successful (depending on how you define "success")? Yes. Did he impact the world enormously? Yes.

    However celebrating him simply because of these is just plain stupidity. He was a murderous, incredibly greedy asshole even by the standards of that time. He did not prove that Earth was round, anybody knowledgeable of history knows that. The ancient Greeks proved that Earth was round (Eratosthenes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) and Eratosthenes' method is widely known and taught in basic geometry. Anybody could see that the way the shape of the view of the moon changed, and the fact that there was always a round horizon, and conclude that the Earth was round. The knowledge that Earth was round has been around for several centuries before Columbus.

    It is also ridiculous to excuse his flaws because he impacted the world or had positive qualities. That is akin to celebrating Stalin because he also undeniably impacted the world in which we live in and was a great politician who was excellent in maintaining power. Columbus should rightfully be remembered and be in textbooks but to celebrate him is being just ignorant of commonsense history.
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    Re: How should Christopher Columbus be judged?

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    Was he successful (depending on how you define "success")? Yes. Did he impact the world enormously? Yes.

    However celebrating him simply because of these is just plain stupidity. He was a murderous, incredibly greedy asshole even by the standards of that time. He did not prove that Earth was round, anybody knowledgeable of history knows that. The ancient Greeks proved that Earth was round (Eratosthenes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) and Eratosthenes' method is widely known and taught in basic geometry. Anybody could see that the way the shape of the view of the moon changed, and the fact that there was always a round horizon, and conclude that the Earth was round. The knowledge that Earth was round has been around for several centuries before Columbus.

    It is also ridiculous to excuse his flaws because he impacted the world or had positive qualities. That is akin to celebrating Stalin because he also undeniably impacted the world in which we live in and was a great politician who was excellent in maintaining power. Columbus should rightfully be remembered and be in textbooks but to celebrate him is being just ignorant of commonsense history.
    Columbus was a great man of his era and arguably one of the most consequential persons ever to have lived. Greedy and murderous? You bet. But he was milquetoast compared to Cortez or Pizzarro, and many others. And greed has driven much exploration and many discoveries, so greed per se is not a bad thing. It doesn't even matter that he himself only half understood what he had done. Compared to Columbus for historical impact, Stalin is a gnat.
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    Re: How should Christopher Columbus be judged?

    White Italian-born, gold-digging, slave-hunting, Spaniard brings death, famine and global warming to innocent naive tribesmen...uh native americans.

    I think that about covers it, right?
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    Re: How should Christopher Columbus be judged?

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    Re: How should Christopher Columbus be judged?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    White Italian-born, gold-digging, slave-hunting, Spaniard brings death, famine and global warming to innocent naive tribesmen...uh native americans.

    I think that about covers it, right?
    You forgot saving their savage souls...
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    Re: How should Christopher Columbus be judged?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    How should Christopher Columbus be judged?

    Being that day is Columbus Day, I read something this morning that included something to the effect of, "If judged by today's standards...", then went off to detail all his atrocities, and so on.

    Is that fair? Should he be judged by today's standards and mores, or should he be judged according to the era in which he lived?

    Note: This question is NOT about whether or not he should have a holiday named after him.
    Columbus was a great man of his era and arguably one of the most consequential persons ever to have lived. It doesn't even matter that he himself only half understood what he had done. Evaluate his importance by our standards, but judge his morals by the standards of his own time.
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    Re: How should Christopher Columbus be judged?

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    Was he successful (depending on how you define "success")? Yes. Did he impact the world enormously? Yes.

    However celebrating him simply because of these is just plain stupidity. He was a murderous, incredibly greedy asshole even by the standards of that time. He did not prove that Earth was round, anybody knowledgeable of history knows that. The ancient Greeks proved that Earth was round (Eratosthenes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) and Eratosthenes' method is widely known and taught in basic geometry. Anybody could see that the way the shape of the view of the moon changed, and the fact that there was always a round horizon, and conclude that the Earth was round. The knowledge that Earth was round has been around for several centuries before Columbus.

    It is also ridiculous to excuse his flaws because he impacted the world or had positive qualities. That is akin to celebrating Stalin because he also undeniably impacted the world in which we live in and was a great politician who was excellent in maintaining power. Columbus should rightfully be remembered and be in textbooks but to celebrate him is being just ignorant of commonsense history.
    Exactly. The way I see it, we really shouldn't celebrate the man, but rather his accomplishment.

    Rename the holiday "Discovery Day," or something similar, give the Native Americans their own holiday, and be done with it.

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    Re: How should Christopher Columbus be judged?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Exactly. The way I see it, we really shouldn't celebrate the man, but rather his accomplishment.

    Rename the holiday "Discovery Day," or something similar, give the Native Americans their own holiday, and be done with it.
    Good point. I am not really sure what we should call it. Regardless of what we think of the man, and whether or not he was actually the first to have discovered the new world, in the future, when the planet is united, and we are reaching out to the stars, surely his achievement will be recognized as having been where it all began.

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    Re: How should Christopher Columbus be judged?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Is that a fair point, or a biased criticism? In other words, was it common knowledge that the Americas existed where they are? If not, then pretty much anybody would have discovered them "by accident". That's kind of what 'discovering' is... finding something you didn't know was there. If Columbus finding the Americas was an accident, then the discovery/finding of penicillin was no less an accident. Hardly a valid criticism.



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    Re: How should Christopher Columbus be judged?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    True, but if I understand that right, most died of disease Columbus and other Europeans carried.


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