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    Re: Who would you vote for in a republican primary?

    Quote Originally Posted by Porchev View Post
    Well, partly because his views on income taxes, corporate taxes, over-regulation, and energy production would have driven us to a much better economy and that would have helped everyone of all races, genders, and economic backgrounds. And that would have expanded the size of the economic pie for everyone. That would mean a bigger more dynamic private sector and that would in turn provide more money to the government, so it would have been a win-win for both Democrats and Republicans.
    Certainly would be super-human results to have done that in less than two years, especially with a totally dysfunctional congress. Moreover, he had NO "dynamic" plans, so there would be no "dynamic" private sector. In fact, so "undynamic" was Romney's economic plan that his "bold" promise was that he would lower the unemployment rate to 6% after 4 years in office. It was done in less than 2 years under Obama.

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    I appreciate how you believe Romney would be delivering warm apple pie ala-mode to every home and that our lawns would be so much greener under Romney's political green thumb, but the reality is that things would not be much different today with Romney or Obama.
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    Re: Who would you vote for in a republican primary?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Certainly would be super-human results to have done that in less than two years, especially with a totally dysfunctional congress. Moreover, he had NO "dynamic" plans, so there would be no "dynamic" private sector. In fact, so "undynamic" was Romney's economic plan that his "bold" promise was that he would lower the unemployment rate to 6% after 4 years in office. It was done in less than 2 years under Obama.

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    I appreciate how you believe Romney would be delivering warm apple pie ala-mode to every home and that our lawns would be so much greener under Romney's political green thumb, but the reality is that things would not be much different today with Romney or Obama.
    Obama has been encouraging the dysfunctional Congress. Romney would want to work with both parties. Obama and Reid have been ignoring almost everything coming from the Republican side of the aisle and that has not been helpful to the country.

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    Re: Who would you vote for in a republican primary?

    My concern is who will be faithful to the Constitution and be committed to limiting and downsizing the federal government. Among the likely candidates, I will be supporting Paul. I could also support Cruz and Carson though.

    Also, the list leaves out people obviously positioning themselves to run, including Huckabee, Santorum, Rubio, Kasich, Jindal, Perry, and Walker.
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    Re: Who would you vote for in a republican primary?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Paul Ryan or Rand Paul for me.
    They really aren't that similar. Ryan is a big government Republican who has been portrayed otherwise by the liberal media, but is a moderate nonetheless.
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    Re: Who would you vote for in a republican primary?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    They really aren't that similar. Ryan is a big government Republican who has been portrayed otherwise by the liberal media, but is a moderate nonetheless.
    Paul Ryan is a plausible POTUS. Rand Paul is a punchline looking for the set up.
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    Re: Who would you vote for in a republican primary?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Paul Ryan is a plausible POTUS. Rand Paul is a punchline looking for the set up.
    Disagree. Paul is an appealing general election candidate because of his reasonable views on foreign policy, justice, and civil liberties. As an opponent of corporate welfare and a non-career politician, he is also appealing to the middle class.

    Ryan would be painted as pro-rich, pro-war, George W. Bush Republican and it would be correct, and he would lose.
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    Re: Who would you vote for in a republican primary?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    Disagree. Paul is an appealing general election candidate because of his reasonable views on foreign policy, justice, and civil liberties. As an opponent of corporate welfare and a non-career politician, he is also appealing to the middle class.

    Ryan would be painted as pro-rich, pro-war, George W. Bush Republican and it would be correct, and he would lose.
    In foreign affairs Rand Paul is an irresponsible loon, and a know-nothing. If he were the Repub nominee I would support Hillary Clinton.
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    Re: Who would you vote for in a republican primary?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    In foreign affairs Rand Paul is an irresponsible loon, and a know-nothing.
    Even as Senator Paul has try to wrap himself in the "Realist" label, his views remain far closer to neo-isolationism than Realism. If one examines his budget proposal, he sought to freeze U.S. foreign aid at $5 billion per year (p.46). Moreover, even as he correctly talked about some of the ineffective applications of foreign aid, absent from his discussion were conceptions of the national interest, balance of power, and strategic allies, all of which are hallmarks of the Realist school. Also absent were concrete discussions about the nation's major foreign policy challenges and opportunities. His budget discussion was largely an argument against foreign aid as a rationalization for maintaining a token amount. IMO, whether a candidate is from the Liberal Internationalist, Realist (my preference), or Neoconservative schools, that candidate almost certainly has a more well-conceived approach to foreign policy than Senator Paul.

    If one looks at Paul's proposed 2014-2023 defense outlays (p.93), one finds a cumulative figure of approximately $5.584 trillion. That's approximately 19% less than President Obama's latest budget for the same timeframe (p.8). Put another way, President Obama proposed spending approximately $1.23 on defense for every dollar Paul would spend. Recognition of the importance of power, of course, is an essential element of the Realist school.

    Paul's budget concept articulates where he stands. His recent attempts to package himself as a Realist in the tradition of many past GOP Presidents rings hollow once one examines his proposed budget allocations.

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    Re: Who would you vote for in a republican primary?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Huntsman "accepting science" is hardly what did him in.
    True, what killed Huntsman is that he refused to pander to the crazy. He staked his last stand in an area known for its moderate, more secular Republicans. That was fatal. You cannot win the GOP nomination unless you pander to the crazy, that's why Romney abandoned so many of his previous positions. He knew he couldn't follow Huntsman's model of being a reasonable adult. The science part was just part of Huntsman refusing to pander.

    If you're going to point to his comments on global warming and evolution as part of what did him in it'd be more accurate to point at the way in which he went about speaking of it. Throughout his entire campaign he made it a point to be very neutral in tone towards Obama and the Democrats, not overly aggressive, trying to remain "positive"....and then all of a sudden his first outburst of seeming annoyance or anger or energy is in a belittling fashion towards other individuals running/part of the base he's attempting to attract.
    Huntsman tried to run a positive campaign as a responsible reasonable adult. Johnson tried to do that as well. Obviously both were cast into the cold. The science part is merely a manifestation of the bigger problems both had in trying to reach out to the people who they needed. The GOP primaries give power to the extremist of the Republican party, the kind that thinks that temperatures globally haven't changed at all, that the President determines the price of oil, and that the world is still a unipolar place. Huntsman tried to be an educated adult and it failed. Predictable.

    In an election year where the base was desperately looking for a fighter it was unwise to come out as an even keeled measured individual. It was even more unwise to allow your one moment of looking like you COULD be a fighter to come about being aimed at your own side.

    It was one of NUMEROUS missteps his campaign made during the primaries that just left me shaking my head.
    But you cannot be a reasonable adult and be the fighter the GOP primary voters wanted. Look at who won the nomination. A candidate who abandoned position after position to get votes, only to abandon the very position he promised the GOP primary voters. That is not the actions of an reasonable adult who makes Clinton look principled.
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    Re: Who would you vote for in a republican primary?

    Quote Originally Posted by Porchev View Post
    Obama has been encouraging the dysfunctional Congress. Romney would want to work with both parties. Obama and Reid have been ignoring almost everything coming from the Republican side of the aisle and that has not been helpful to the country.
    This. And the difference I saw between Romney and Obama in 2012 was that Romney had a proven history of working with the other party when he was top dog. There are few states if any that have such a disparity in party representation in the state legislature as Massachusetts, yet Romney managed to compromise to death in order to get things through, including that oh so famous healthcare law in that state.

    Obama, on the other hand, had no history of working collaberatively across party lines, neither before 2009 nor during the 4 years he was POTUS.

    Romney would have been another Clinton. And while Clinton wasn't my favorite President, he certainly knew how to build consensus.
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