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    Re: Who would you vote for in a republican primary?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanist View Post
    So you are posting links that he has adjusted his foreign policy stance in favor of bigger defense budgets in attempt to prove what?
    I don't think one of the links says that at all. The other suggests his change is tactical. And then there's this.

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    “How many people here have a cell phone?” Paul asked at the beginning of his remarks. “How many people think it’s none of the government’s damn business what you do with your cell phone?” The crowd cheered.
    “I really, really worry about Anthony Weiner. Because you know he likes to take the selfies,” Paul said of the former Democratic congressman who accidentally posted lewd photos of himself on Twitter. “He’s had trouble finding a place to put them where no one can find them. So ...

    . . . . It’s not clear how much of a price Rand Paul will pay among those who remain staunchly opposed to an American air war in Syria and Iraq. Libertarians and noninterventionists will have no one more dovish than Paul to turn to in the 2016 Republican primaries. But by “playing the game” on matters of war, Paul has opened himself up to potentially devastating attacks that could keep the rest of the GOP from giving him a second look.
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    Re: Who would you vote for in a republican primary?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanist View Post
    More like constitutionally appropriate.
    Rand Paul's approach isn't the only "constitutionally appropriate" foreign policy. All of the mainstream foreign policy schools are constitutionally appropriate.

    He includes a great quote from ike. "We will bankrupt oursellves in the vain search of absolute security."
    I'm not aware of any President who has pursued absolute security. Indeed, such a pursuit would be futile.

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    Re: Who would you vote for in a republican primary?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Did you not see Romney's complete abandonment of his principles? Did you not see the Huntsman refuse to follow Romney's lead?
    Pivoting is what is required, even if we have the means to replay quotes from any day of the last 30 years. We also didn't see an active or charismatic campaign from Huntsman.
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    Re: Who would you vote for in a republican primary?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanist View Post
    Lots of good candidates in 2016

    Jeb Bush
    Rand Paul
    Mitt Romney
    Paul Ryan
    Ted Cruz
    Ben Carson
    Scott Brown


    At this point i am leaning Paul or Carson

    I like the idea of a president that has done something other than politics. I also share many of the same positions of paul and carson. Not all, but i dont miss the forest for the trees. I would support any of the above candidates tho if they won the primary.

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    Jeb Bush Good governor in Florida, name hurts his chances.

    Rand Paul Attractive candidate from a libertarian standpoint. Not confident that his executive experience is strong enough

    Mitt Romney Nor a great campaigner but would probably make the best President.

    Paul Ryan Smart guy, congressmen don't make as good executives as governors.

    Ted Cruz Lots of guts, bold decision maker. I'm not confident in his executive experience.

    Ben Carson Probably the best human being in the list. I'm not sure he has enough experience in government, although that could be a positive. I just don't know about Ben.

    Scott Brown Northeast liberal Republican. No thanks.

    Every person mentioned on the list would be a better choice than the currant President.
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    Re: Who would you vote for in a republican primary?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Pivoting is what is required, even if we have the means to replay quotes from any day of the last 30 years. We also didn't see an active or charismatic campaign from Huntsman.
    There's a difference between pivoting and complete belief abandonment. Romney went from tooting his horn on the insurance program that was the foundation of the ACA to saying the ACA was a total mess. Romney turned his back on everything he used to believe just to get the GOP nomination, then he forsook those beliefs to move to the center. A lot of people saw that as completely scummy. And it was.
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    Re: Who would you vote for in a republican primary?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    There's a difference between pivoting and complete belief abandonment. Romney went from tooting his horn on the insurance program that was the foundation of the ACA to saying the ACA was a total mess. Romney turned his back on everything he used to believe just to get the GOP nomination, then he forsook those beliefs to move to the center. A lot of people saw that as completely scummy. And it was.
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    Re: Who would you vote for in a republican primary?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    There's a difference between pivoting and complete belief abandonment. Romney went from tooting his horn on the insurance program that was the foundation of the ACA to saying the ACA was a total mess. Romney turned his back on everything he used to believe just to get the GOP nomination, then he forsook those beliefs to move to the center. A lot of people saw that as completely scummy. And it was.
    Often, that's the necessity in party politics. It's going to be the continued norm for quite some time. It's not scummy when the American public demands it that way. If it remains scummy, then the American public are filled with scum. Even if you want to go that far, I would still advocate for a politician to do it if it is necessary to win.
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    Re: Who would you vote for in a republican primary?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Often, that's the necessity in party politics. It's going to be the continued norm for quite some time. It's not scummy when the American public demands it that way.
    Popular opinion doesn't change the act of scummy behavior. Furthermore, many people voted against Romney for such behavior. I don't disagree that it's a necessity, but it doesn't change the fact that it's still scummy. When you abandon all that you are to temporary adopt someone else's opinions and then abandon them to get centrist votes.....that's not a sign of a principled leader.

    If it remains scummy, then the American public are filled with scum. Even if you want to go that far, I would still advocate for a politician to do it if it is necessary to win.
    Look at this site. Do you think we aren't filled with scum?
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    Re: Who would you vote for in a republican primary?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Popular opinion doesn't change the act of scummy behavior. Furthermore, many people voted against Romney for such behavior. I don't disagree that it's a necessity, but it doesn't change the fact that it's still scummy. When you abandon all that you are to temporary adopt someone else's opinions and then abandon them to get centrist votes.....that's not a sign of a principled leader.
    Too much idealism. If it is reality and a necessity, perhaps it isn't such a bad thing. Embrace it. Either that or proudly don't vote for the main parties. Stick to your principles and vote for an irrelevant third party. I personally have little patience for the idea that we need that level of principled leaders when everyone in the room seemingly agrees with your sentiment yet simultaneously agrees that woe unto those who actually follow through with it if they remain principled about something you disagree with. If the American public doesn't actually want that level of principled behavior during campaign season, then we shouldn't give it to them.
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    Huntsman/Paul

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