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    Re: Who would you vote for in a republican primary?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    This. And the difference I saw between Romney and Obama in 2012 was that Romney had a proven history of working with the other party when he was top dog. There are few states if any that have such a disparity in party representation in the state legislature as Massachusetts, yet Romney managed to compromise to death in order to get things through, including that oh so famous healthcare law in that state.

    Obama, on the other hand, had no history of working collaberatively across party lines, neither before 2009 nor during the 4 years he was POTUS.

    Romney would have been another Clinton. And while Clinton wasn't my favorite President, he certainly knew how to build consensus.
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    Re: Who would you vote for in a republican primary?

    Paul Ryan, and I think that Dr. Carson would be great as second on the ticket. But it's too soon to say.

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    Re: Who would you vote for in a republican primary?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Huntsman "accepting science" is hardly what did him in. If you're going to point to his comments on global warming and evolution as part of what did him in it'd be more accurate to point at the way in which he went about speaking of it. Throughout his entire campaign he made it a point to be very neutral in tone towards Obama and the Democrats, not overly aggressive, trying to remain "positive"....and then all of a sudden his first outburst of seeming annoyance or anger or energy is in a belittling fashion towards other individuals running/part of the base he's attempting to attract.

    In an election year where the base was desperately looking for a fighter it was unwise to come out as an even keeled measured individual. It was even more unwise to allow your one moment of looking like you COULD be a fighter to come about being aimed at your own side.

    It was one of NUMEROUS missteps his campaign made during the primaries that just left me shaking my head.
    I was deeply invested in the Huntsman campaign during the NH primaries (volunteer wise, not financially). I spent a lot of time with him and with his people. While I was grateful for that opportunity, unfortunately his focus on NH didn't serve him well. Back then the big focus if you will among the Republicans in this state (both the voters and the state's leaders) was to ride an anti-Obama wave. Huntsman had a connection to Obama and he refused to disavow it. Republicans here wanted the guy who they thought could beat Obama, and to the majority of them, that was Romney. I think too Huntsman believed he could capitalize on our large Libertarian population here but I think Ron Paul's success in appealing to a lot of them also hurt Huntsman. In the end Huntsman finished 3rd, behind Romney & Paul, and the only group he won in the primary was the Democrats - yes, the Democrats.

    Unfortunately he really ran out of money after NH and his gamble cost him any additional chance. It was a damn shame too. He was by far the best candidate in 2012 in either party.
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    Re: Who would you vote for in a republican primary?

    In Georgia we have open primaries so I can choose to vote in either one. I will either vote for the person I want to win the most regardless of party or vote against the one I want to lose the most. Usually my vote in either primary is a vote against someone, not for anyone.
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    Re: Who would you vote for in a republican primary?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    True, what killed Huntsman is that he refused to pander to the crazy. He staked his last stand in an area known for its moderate, more secular Republicans. That was fatal. You cannot win the GOP nomination unless you pander to the crazy, that's why Romney abandoned so many of his previous positions. He knew he couldn't follow Huntsman's model of being a reasonable adult. The science part was just part of Huntsman refusing to pander.
    Again, I disagree entirely. There's a chasm between "pandering" to a segment of the base and abjectly insulting, attacking, and belittling them.

    Huntsman didn't need to pander to that part of the base...he just didn't need to use the only significant aggressive act of his campaign to attack them.

    Huntsman tried to run a positive campaign as a responsible reasonable adult.
    Which is what made him acting like a child tossing out insults towards his own side all the more ridiculous and suicide from a political sense. He was trying to run a positive campaign....and then when he finally went negative it was towards people on his own side. That's a political equivilent of kicking the ball into your own goal in soccer.

    I know its fun for liberals to sit on the outside looking in and paint Huntsman, or his campaign, as something he wasn't. It happened the ENTIRE time throughout his campaign and it was also a factor playing into his problems. But the simple issue of his views on Evolution and Global Warming, in and of themselves, were far from the top reasons for his campaigns issues.

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    Re: Who would you vote for in a republican primary?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Unfortunately he really ran out of money after NH and his gamble cost him any additional chance. It was a damn shame too. He was by far the best candidate in 2012 in either party.
    Agree. And this goes back to my general stance that he ran one of the worst primary campaigns I've ever seen. What you described is part of it.

    One of my complaints about Obama is a question regarding his judge of character based on those he's allied with and put himself around politically in the past. Huntsman's choice of McCain's 2008 campaign manager, based on how things worked out, has given me a similar (though lesser) pause.

    They seemed to have NO understanding of the changes within the republican voting base that occured between 2008 and 2012. Part of their issue was treating 2012 like it was 2008 and that was just completely and utterly foolish.

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    Re: Who would you vote for in a republican primary?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    This. And the difference I saw between Romney and Obama in 2012 was that Romney had a proven history of working with the other party when he was top dog. There are few states if any that have such a disparity in party representation in the state legislature as Massachusetts, yet Romney managed to compromise to death in order to get things through, including that oh so famous healthcare law in that state.

    Obama, on the other hand, had no history of working collaberatively across party lines, neither before 2009 nor during the 4 years he was POTUS.

    Romney would have been another Clinton. And while Clinton wasn't my favorite President, he certainly knew how to build consensus.
    I like what you said about Romney and Obama. About Clinton, only post-1994 did he work with both parties and suddenly agreed with things like welfare reform and other Republican controlled Congress ideas, however, he didn't build consensus to avoid government shutdowns. Although, it is too bad that Obama didn't become pragmatic and more Clinton-like after the 2010 election, but since he still had Reid running the Senate, he felt he can just ignore at least half of the countries elected representatives.

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    Re: Who would you vote for in a republican primary?

    i have 3 i would vote for

    Rand Paul

    Gary Johnson

    Scott Walker

    that is based upon candidates i am aware of right now

    none are perfect...not close in fact

    but Romney....please no

    Another Bush....please shoot me first

    Christie.....really?

    and we cant go too far on the social conservative side.....
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    Re: Who would you vote for in a republican primary?

    Carson is a nice departure from the usual. But he is weak on the 2A. Of that list, Romney is the most qualified.

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    Re: Who would you vote for in a republican primary?

    and this ladies and gentlemen is exactly why the republican party is in trouble

    what are the odds of Hillary getting the democratic nomination 75%...80%....higher?

    yes, we have a couple of years until the election, but you ask 20 different people who the republican candidate should be, and you'll probably get 10 different names

    hell...not even sure if we know anything about what our platform ideas will be other than

    "we arent Obama"

    someone high up in the party better get their crap together, and fairly soon

    we'll have 8 guys running for the ticket, all of them attacking each other, and the democrats smiling all the way to November
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