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What do you think?
What do you think?
Call it whatever you want, argue about it all day if that's what floats your boat, it changes nothing for the victim, she's still dead.
Colleen Hufford
She was a caring and compassionate person and a loving wife, mother and grandmother.
She went to work one day and didn't come home. She was killed violently at her workplace by a lunatic and i'm sure she was terrified.
Call it whatever you want, argue about it all day if that's what floats your boat, it changes nothing for the victim, she's still dead.
Colleen Hufford
She was a caring and compassionate person and a loving wife, mother and grandmother.
She went to work one day and didn't come home. She was killed violently at her workplace by a lunatic and i'm sure she was terrified.
The object of the tactic of terrorism is to create terror within some targeted political demographic and coerce some desired change in behavior as a result of that fear.
How does this case even remotely fit that criteria?
OJ beheaded his ex-wife.
He wasn't a terrorist either.
It most likely qualifies as "Lonewolf" terrorism, or a simple hate crime, depending on how one chooses to define the terms. I can tell you straight up that it sure as Hell isn't "workplace violence," in any case.
Call it whatever you want, argue about it all day if that's what floats your boat, it changes nothing for the victim, she's still dead.
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That is true, but it matters in a fundamental way. Taking a "who gives a damn" stance on what the motives and methods to murder are, is a H. Clinton-esque approach, which says it doesnt matter, so why should we care. If it is terrorism, that is important. Terrorism is meant to effect society and culture. It is something that we need to have a n intelligent understanding of. The lone nut case going postal doesnt have that effect.
which says it doesnt matter, so why should we care.
Terrorism is meant to effect society and culture. It is something that we need to have a n intelligent understanding of. If it is terrorism, that is important.
Homicide. The location doesn't really matter. As for it being related to terrorism, I have no freaking clue. Has the perpetrator expressed any political or social agenda as the reason for his actions?
Lizzie, i've already got a very clear understanding of what Terrorism is. Terrorist attacks kill and maim thousands each year, the effect they can have on individuals and their families are horrific and the fear and threat of terrorism can have a crippling psychological effect on society. I get it. I know all that already.
I don't need to have her death classified as a Terrorist Act to convince me that extremist individuals and groups are a problem.
What do you think?
True. I don't feel terrified, I feel pissed off and I also feel a strong desire to show that coward what terror really means.
I see it as a really good argument for capital punishment.
He was suspended and escorted to the parking lot which most likely meant he was fired.Immediately after that he went home, got a blade,returned to the work place and stabbed a woman and cut her head off and attacked another person. Usually when a person is fired and starts killing people at his former place of employment its called going postal ie workplace violence. That individual is doing that is because he is bonkers and is doing that as some sort of revenge. If there wan't there fact he was suspended or fired then it could be reasonable to assume he did it as some sort of lone wolf terrorist act.I strongly suspect that if was not fired/suspended then he would not have murdered one person and attempted to murder another.What do you think?
In a racist society that marginalizes African-Americans and deprives them of a good education and opportunities, is it any wonder that violent ideologies appeal to them?
Maybe we should target the social problems that cause "terrorism" instead of trying to make "terrorists" out of US citizens.
No, not when committing the crime. He was a Muslim though. But his religion wouldn't even be mentioned were he a Christian. He would just be a deranged and disgruntled employee.
Where is Dexter when we need him?
In a racist society that marginalizes African-Americans and deprives them of a good education and opportunities, is it any wonder that violent ideologies appeal to them?
Maybe we should target the social problems that cause "terrorism" instead of trying to make "terrorists" out of US citizens.
What do you think?
The facts sure as hell don't support lone wolf terrorist at all. Guy gets canned and comes back to attack his co-workers. Being fired was the trigger, not a call to Jihad. He attacked his coworkers, not random people on the street. He made no plan to use bombs or other devices, just an impulse to get even for being fired.
Using your definition of lone wolf, every workplace attack is terrorism, and you have to use an extremely loose definition of hate crime to cover this. He didn't go hunting 'whitey', he was seeking revenge for being fired.
Pretty simple- cause and effect, no different than hundreds of other workplace murders, most are a result of being demoted or fired, next is divorce or failed office romance.
Terrorism.... naaaawwww... eace
Nolen, who was charged with first-degree murder last week and is likely to face the death penalty, "openly admitted to beheading" Hufford and trying to do the same to Johnson, according to a court affidavit. Authorities said he told investigators he had felt "oppressed" at work and was angry with Johnson, who had filed the complaint that led to his suspension. Johnson, who is white, and Nolen, who is African-American, had gotten into an argument about race, according to law enforcement officials.
"He didn't like white people," Cleveland County District Attorney Greg Mashburn said at a press conference last week, declining to elaborate further on their altercation. While Nolen told police he had deliberately gone after Johnson and planned to attack two other people, Hufford had not been a specific target, Mashburn said. She was just in the wrong place at the wrong time