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    Re: Kids from rich families are more likely to succeed?

    Heres my question-why on earth would we expect people from enormously variable backgrounds to "succeed equally"?
    Where on earth has that situation ever existed and why should that be the standard?

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    Re: Kids from rich families are more likely to succeed?

    1. There are absolutely wide disparities in the opportunities offered by our education system here in the US.

    2. However, the education/test score/money relationship is not causal, it is correlative, both stemming from the same basic cause of a family who prioritizes and makes good decisions.



    In the my childhood immediate family, for example, there are more collegiate and graduate degrees than people. My brother has the least (1), and he got his in Engineering from Georgia Tech. Yet we weren't rich - dad was a small town southern Methodist minister. We saved up all month to go to Shoney's. But my parents prioritized education, reading to their children, strengthening their marriage, providing us stability, etc. I don't have more education because my folks had money, but because I was taught to pursue it, to value it, and to work hard. Those same values also increase my ability to earn a higher income, and as a result, my income will probably be above average over the course of my lifetime.

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    Re: Kids from rich families are more likely to succeed?

    Poll: Economic Disparity = Education Inequality?
    The advent of the Internet has changed that dynamic entirely. Why blow $50,000+ on a college (and all of the bull**** "required classes") when the same information can be learned for the price of a monthly Internet bill, that is, if a person even pays for it and just doesn't leech the connection?

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    Re: Kids from rich families are more likely to succeed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    The advent of the Internet has changed that dynamic entirely. Why blow $50,000+ on a college (and all of the bull**** "required classes") when the same information can be learned for the price of a monthly Internet bill, that is, if a person even pays for it and just doesn't leech the connection?
    The same could have been said about libraries, but I agree with what you're saying. There is value to learning in an academic environment and, for better or worse, having a certificate of successfully completing a degree program. Though I don't know that it's worth tens of thousands of dollars per year for two years before kids have even decided what career track appeals to them.

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    Re: Kids from rich families are more likely to succeed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    The same could have been said about libraries, but I agree with what you're saying. There is value to learning in an academic environment and, for better or worse, having a certificate of successfully completing a degree program. Though I don't know that it's worth tens of thousands of dollars per year for two years before kids have even decided what career track appeals to them.
    What gets me is what the university lumps on-top, the aforementioned "required classes" which the universities defend by saying, "We want well-rounded students." No, they want more money, they could give a **** about a student being well-rounded.

    Today's world requires that ultra expensive piece of paper that supposedly says that so-and-so knows X, Y and Z to a certain proficiency. The game is unfortunately rigged and is seemingly getting worse with every passing semester.

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    Re: Kids from rich families are more likely to succeed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    The same could have been said about libraries, but I agree with what you're saying. There is value to learning in an academic environment and, for better or worse, having a certificate of successfully completing a degree program. Though I don't know that it's worth tens of thousands of dollars per year for two years before kids have even decided what career track appeals to them.
    I say college is overrated, and I say this as a college student almost continually for the last 15 years off and on. It turns too many into robots, and with things like the internet and the information age its even less vital. The dogma of college really took off with the boomers.

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    Re: Kids from rich families are more likely to succeed?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    It turns too many into robots, and with things like the internet and the information age its even less vital.
    If anything, it's taught me it's become more vital. People have taken an inherently undemocratic hierarchy of knowledge and quality of material and proposed it was somehow democratic. The internet has become a place where everyone's source material is seen with equal value and democratized to such an extent that the average person is somehow granted equal weight to that of the expert in the field. It's preposterous.
    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

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    Re: Kids from rich families are more likely to succeed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    If anything, it's taught me it's become more vital. People have taken an inherently undemocratic hierarchy of knowledge and quality of material and proposed it was somehow democratic. The internet has become a place where everyone's source material is seen with equal value and democratized to such an extent that the average person is somehow granted equal weight to that of the expert in the field. It's preposterous.
    I practice medicine as a PA, you dont need to tell me that a little bit of knowledge, without knowing sources or context can be dangerous-but still the overall net effect is a positive. The more people there are pouring over this data, the better long term.

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    Re: Kids from rich families are more likely to succeed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    But they're not. The reason so many schools in poor neighborhoods are bad is because the parents don't care. They don't get involved. They don't care about education. They don't instill a love of learning in their children. Most kids drop out before they graduate high school. None of that has anything to do with the amount of money someone has, but with the amount of interest they have. We just have this really stupid and destructive ghetto culture in place that teaches people not to care about getting an education because the government will give them a check and crime pays a lot more. They do it to themselves.




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    Re: Kids from rich families are more likely to succeed?

    Quote Originally Posted by TSAE View Post
    Studies have shown that children coming from families of the top 10% of income generally had better test scores than children from the the lower 90% of income. Not only do they generally have better test scores, but also are much more likely to get into an elite college. For decades, parents from higher income families spend an exponential amount of money on learning expense for their children. These numbers are only increasing, possibly giving children from lower income families a massive disadvantage.

    So my questions to you guys--the Debate Politics community--are:

    Could the possible increase in educational inequality of children of different social classes be due to the wide economic disparity that we have today between the rich and the poor?

    Do you think there should be more elite educational programs for children of the lower class?

    Also, what other factors could possibly be involved?

    Growing wealth gap may threaten education


    Some Other Good Reads:
    Money Makes A Difference, Even In Kindergarten
    Inequality among students rises - Business - The Boston Globe
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/10/ed...dies-show.html
    My parents were by no means wealthy--I was the poor kid growing up mostly with kids whose families had much more money--but I don't believe I was handicapped in any way. Yes more rich kids succeed than poor kids not because they are born rich but because their parents infuse them with the same values that helped their parents be rich. But the poor kid who is encouraged to educate himself/herself, and I was, has the same ability and desire to learn. And he has the same ability to achieve and succeed as his richer peers. They might have a head start so far as having access and opportunity to more ways to learn, but also the poor kid is not handicapped with a sense of privilege and entitlement that could hinder his drive to get ahead.

    In my own family I have watched kids with parents who have barely a high school education or even less go on to accomplish themselves impressively. And I've watched a lot of kids of privilege fail to apply themselves and succeed at the same level as their rich parents.

    It's all relative.
    "I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it." --Benjamin Franklin 1776

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