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Thread: Kids from rich families are more likely to succeed?

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    Re: Kids from rich families are more likely to succeed?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It isn't just the uberwealthy though. If your family has enough to pay for your college, that means that you have an advantage over anybody whose family doesn't simply from the fact that someone who doesn't is going to have to work harder than you, and likely start their lives with more debt than you based solely on where they started from.
    Thats reality, welcome. Approaching this from the baseline of equality of outcomes will always fluster you.

    Did you know that even within a family-the oldest child tends to outperform the younger siblings? Inequality is reality.

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    Re: Kids from rich families are more likely to succeed?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Thats reality, welcome. Approaching this from the baseline of equality of outcomes will always fluster you.

    Did you know that even within a family-the oldest child tends to outperform the younger siblings? Inequality is reality.
    And I want to change the system that makes it this way. Change is also reality.
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    Re: Kids from rich families are more likely to succeed?

    Quote Originally Posted by TSAE View Post
    Studies have shown that children coming from families of the top 10% of income generally had better test scores than children from the the lower 90% of income. Not only do they generally have better test scores, but also are much more likely to get into an elite college. For decades, parents from higher income families spend an exponential amount of money on learning expense for their children. These numbers are only increasing, possibly giving children from lower income families a massive disadvantage.

    So my questions to you guys--the Debate Politics community--are:

    Could the possible increase in educational inequality of children of different social classes be due to the wide economic disparity that we have today between the rich and the poor?

    Do you think there should be more elite educational programs for children of the lower class?

    Also, what other factors could possibly be involved?

    Growing wealth gap may threaten education


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    Yes, children of the elite most certainly have an advantage. The reason isn't simply money though. Although it is money that allows it. The reason that children of the elite have better test scores is due to the fact that the parents often hire people to take care of their children. Those that are hired to take care of the children are able to devote their whole time to the kids and as such can help them with their homework, understanding of said homework. Also there is the fact that those elite parents can hire private tutors and its been shown that tutors can help teach one person a lot better than a teacher can in a classroom filled with 25-30 students.

    Those that are poor on the other hand cannot hire someone to take care of the kids this way. Combine that with the fact that those same parents have to work and as such cannot spend the time needed to help their kids only means that the kids are not getting the time/attention needed to succeed like the kids of rich parents.

    As far as education goes...imo ALL education should be free and available to anyone and everyone of any age. As the old saying goes, "knowledge is power". The elite are able to gain that knowledge due to being able to pay for it in all forms. The poor....not so much. Yeah yeah, I know, there's grants and loans and scholarships and blah blah blah for the poor. Not everyone qualifies or can spend the time necessary to get a good education or any of those grants, loans, scholarships etc etc. A few years ago I spent every day for 6 months looking for some type of grant or loan to get a better education. Never once found one that I qualified for (though I found plenty that would have allowed my wife). The only way i've been able to get a better education is by 1: reading up on the material myself and 2: getting hired by companies that are willing to take the time to train people. For that reason I now have a tech job working for Apple. A job that I actually enjoy to.
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    Re: Kids from rich families are more likely to succeed?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Not everyone has their own house. Most poor people rent. Kind of hard to sell what you don't own.
    If it's financially smarter for a given family to rent forever instead of buy, then that decision should be easier to save away for the kids' colleges.

    Simply put, as my signature line explains, people have to save money if they want to build wealth. The way to save money is to spend less than one earns. That simply has to be done in order to build savings and wealth. I don't have sympathy for perpetual excuse-makers in that regard. I do have sympathy for children who are abused or neglected in any way, but that's different.
    People should not have children if they are so incapable of parenting that the children will be neglected and/or abused.

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    Re: Kids from rich families are more likely to succeed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    If it's financially smarter for a given family to rent forever instead of buy, then that decision should be easier to save away for the kids' colleges.

    Simply put, as my signature line explains, people have to save money if they want to build wealth. The way to save money is to spend less than one earns. That simply has to be done in order to build savings and wealth. I don't have sympathy for perpetual excuse-makers in that regard. I do have sympathy for children who are abused or neglected in any way, but that's different.
    People should not have children if they are so incapable of parenting that the children will be neglected and/or abused.
    It is simply financially infeasible for some people to buy a house because of their circumstances.

    It is not neglect to not be able to save up for your children's future education.
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    Re: Kids from rich families are more likely to succeed?

    Poor people can get grants for college. Middle class cannot

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    Re: Kids from rich families are more likely to succeed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanist View Post
    Poor people can get grants for college. Middle class cannot
    Grants rarely cover college costs completely, even for community college.
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    Re: Kids from rich families are more likely to succeed?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It is simply financially infeasible for some people to buy a house because of their circumstances.

    It is not neglect to not be able to save up for your children's future education.
    I didn't say it was, but that doesn't mean society should excuse people from having to provide for their own children.

    If you're really hung up on the higher education cost thing, then the goal should be to bring its actual cost down, not subsidize an overpriced thing and create more layers of inequality under the law.

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    Re: Kids from rich families are more likely to succeed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    I didn't say it was, but that doesn't mean society should excuse people from having to provide for their own children.

    If you're really hung up on the higher education cost thing, then the goal should be to bring its actual cost down, not subsidize an overpriced thing and create more layers of inequality under the law.
    I'm all for bringing the cost down. I didn't actually say that it should be subsidies. But that still requires money, making things more fair, something that is fought by those at the top of the income brackets.
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    Re: Kids from rich families are more likely to succeed?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I'm all for bringing the cost down. I didn't actually say that it should be subsidies. But that still requires money, making things more fair, something that is fought by those at the top of the income brackets.
    I'm interested to read what you think should be done regarding the price of higher education, if not subsidies.

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