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    Re: Are you willing to lie to push your agenda?

    Since Libertarianism is based on truth and logic there is no need for me to lie, I will just leave all the lying to my detractors.

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    Re: Are you willing to lie to push your agenda?

    I see there are no politicians here lolAre you willing to lie to push your agenda?-c-and-chong-jpg

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    Re: Are you willing to lie to push your agenda?

    Politicians, by necessity, have to do more than what most people find palatable to drive an agenda forward, including omission of details and a more simplified talking point. I don't terribly fault them for it. Sometimes, however, they can go too far in it.

    I have the privilege of only sometimes needing to embellish certain talking points to drive at a deeper truth in policy matters which I am attempting to impact. Normally I am able to be frank, mostly without offending any participants (they often think of me as a valued voice at the table).
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    Re: Are you willing to lie to push your agenda?

    No,

    I do not lie to push my agenda... never have in that way. Not purposely at least... I can be wrong at times.

    The only times where I lie is to avoid getting in needless pointless trouble lol.

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    Re: Are you willing to lie to push your agenda?

    No. There are far more educated people than I, and all of us have access to the internet. A lie is easily found out.
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    Re: Are you willing to lie to push your agenda?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So, you know the question....Are you willing to lie to push your agenda? Will you answer truthfully? I know thats an ironic thing to ask for this particular poll but I'm hoping that since the poll won't be public and not aimed at any particular agenda people will actually be emboldened enough to do so.

    Note: This is one of the VERY FEW polls that I will EVER make that is not public.
    I had no problem answering the poll and I freely admit I, immodestly perhaps, gave it an emphatic NO!

    I hope I have matured as a person sufficiently that it is not so important to me to be perceived as right than it is important to be right. And therefore, if I hold an opinion or point of view that will not stand up to honest challenge, I want to change that opinion and/or point of view. And if my agenda is flawed, and cannot withstand challenge of what I believe to be true, then I need a new agenda. And I won't manipulate or distort what I know to be true to defend it.

    Frankly, I am a bit grumpy and frustrated tonight after spending too many hours on these message boards today I think. But I am really impatient with those who dutifully parrot the assigned lies, that cherry pick information, that pick links that seem to support something and post them without any thought that the information they post might be entirely false. I long for a grown up world in which character trumps presumed superiority, and in which truth is more important than winning and in which a desire for the whole truth is more important than snotty partisanship or ideological slogans and talking points.
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    Re: Are you willing to lie to push your agenda?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    No. I wouldn't.

    This is the question of whether or not the ends justify the means. My position on that has always been that if the neans required are deceitful, then the ends are illigitimate and undesirable. Lies always eventually result in destructiveness to one degree or another.
    Greetings, lizzie.

    : Whoever said it's easier to tell the truth because you don't always remember what you said before sure was right! There's always the option of remaining silent, too.

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    Re: Are you willing to lie to push your agenda?

    No, but i'm willing to lie to watch extremists fall into hysterics on the internet. Can be quite entertaining

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    Re: Are you willing to lie to push your agenda?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Whoever said it's easier to tell the truth because you don't always remember what you said before sure was right!
    Whoever said that, doesn't know what they're talking about.

    When you tell a lie, the thing you said may be false, but that you said it is an event like any other. If you can't recall that like many winisses can't accuratly recall an event gor a police report, then you just have a poor memory.

    The idea that you should tell the truth because it's easier is just laziness; you're telling the truth because it's easy, not for the sake of being truthful. Sometimes the truth is hatd just to know let allone repeat, and so that person would do whatever was easy, not what is truthful.
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    Re: Are you willing to lie to push your agenda?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Whoever said that, doesn't know what they're talking about.

    When you tell a lie, the thing you said may be false, but that you said it is an event like any other. If you can't recall that like many winisses can't accuratly recall an event gor a police report, then you just have a poor memory.

    The idea that you should tell the truth because it's easier is just laziness; you're telling the truth because it's easy, not because you should tell the truth.
    Greetings, Jerry.

    Sometimes the truth can be brutal, as in "do you think I look fat in this dress," so that's why sometimes silence is better. You can always hedge by changing the subject, though, as in "I liked the one you wore the other day better." We all hedge....

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