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    Re: Are you willing to lie to push your agenda?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Just because there is a "truth" on a particular question doesn't mean that everybody, or just a few, or just anybody is seeing it.

    In political debate, there are often simply differences in values, and since ethical/moral convictions are neither "true" nor "false", the only question is whether the people basing their arguments on them are consistent. Two people can accordingly both be "right", yet disagree.

    And when there is so much conflicting information about different facts, it is often very difficult to get an idea which side is right. It doesn't need to be lying when two people disagree on facts. They just have different sources, and usually, both sides are incapable of verifying them.
    And sometimes there is no right answer that pleases everyone and we pick the lies and make them the truth.

    In scientific issues this is usually solved as the puzzle becomes more full in picture. In other words, the spaces that are unknown can be filled with theories and those can change what people think about an issue, but when everything and every piece of the puzzle is filled, the image is complete and everyone can be on the same page.

    In social issues, or politics, it's never that simple. There will never be a complete puzzle solved on any issue that we can lay to rest. Because we create them. We define their parameters and what they're meant to do. And at any point, anyone can come and say that the puzzle is incomplete or that the image we created, so what the puzzle produces, is the wrong one and that he has a better one. And it may be true or not... it may be true for some people and false for others. It depends what we want. I'm basically just reinforcing what I think it is you wanted to say.

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    Re: Are you willing to lie to push your agenda?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So, you know the question....Are you willing to lie to push your agenda? Will you answer truthfully? I know thats an ironic thing to ask for this particular poll but I'm hoping that since the poll won't be public and not aimed at any particular agenda people will actually be emboldened enough to do so.

    Note: This is one of the VERY FEW polls that I will EVER make that is not public.
    To lie to push an agenda comes down to intention. We would more fun with this conversation if we included all the times one may have to lie to ensure an outcome, perhaps in life and death terms.

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    Re: Are you willing to lie to push your agenda?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So, you know the question....Are you willing to lie to push your agenda? Will you answer truthfully?
    No. What if I claim to be a disinterested knower, and thus without an agenda. Would you think I'm lying?

    “If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything.” ― Mark Twain

    Iow, liars, in order to be effective, need a good memory. Imo, I don't have a good enough memory to be a good liar.

    My dad credits Mark Twain with another saying, "The truth is never so good it can't be improved upon. "

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    Re: Are you willing to lie to push your agenda?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So, you know the question....Are you willing to lie to push your agenda? Will you answer truthfully? I know thats an ironic thing to ask for this particular poll but I'm hoping that since the poll won't be public and not aimed at any particular agenda people will actually be emboldened enough to do so.

    Note: This is one of the VERY FEW polls that I will EVER make that is not public.
    I have never deliberately lied to further my agenda.

    I may have spoken with ignorance before, but I never deliberately lied.

    Brutal honesty is something I like to have, and that goes for not only when evaluating other people, but also when I evaluate myself.
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    Re: Are you willing to lie to push your agenda?

    A lie lends to credibility, so I don't lie.

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    Re: Are you willing to lie to push your agenda?

    Americans used to agree that "... the essence of freedom is the limitation of government" - it was one of those "truths" that Americans held to be "self-evident".

    As we can see from some of the responses to this poll question by our leftist friends - they do not recognize that truth; or any truth for that matter. Everything is subjective, everything is debatable.

    Such people have learned nothing from history - either b/c they haven't been exposed to it, or have been indoctrinated against it. Either way, they reject things that used to be held as "self evident truths".

    Since these people now make up the majority of citizens in this country - it should come as no surprise that our society is collapsing, government is growing in size and power, and liberty is slowly being killed. To be sure, "truth" was murdered long ago.

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    Re: Are you willing to lie to push your agenda?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So, you know the question....Are you willing to lie to push your agenda? Will you answer truthfully?
    I am not sure what agenda we are talking about. Other members have given answers based on certain situations. Please clarify.
    If we are talking about posting here, I wonder if, or how many, have agendas? Aren't we just exchanging opinions? As such, can opinions be lies, or are we just offering our interpretation of events and situations?
    I agree with the following

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Just because there is a "truth" on a particular question doesn't mean that everybody, or just a few, or just anybody is seeing it.

    In political debate, there are often simply differences in values, and since ethical/moral convictions are neither "true" nor "false", the only question is whether the people basing their arguments on them are consistent. Two people can accordingly both be "right", yet disagree.

    And when there is so much conflicting information about different facts, it is often very difficult to get an idea which side is right. It doesn't need to be lying when two people disagree on facts. They just have different sources, and usually, both sides are incapable of verifying them.
    So no, I wouldn't lie to push an agenda since I simply don't have one. I come here to read and offer opinions.



    As for the personal stuff, I agree with t b as follows. If a life is to be saved, then we must adjust depending on the situation.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post

    I've lied to promote my personal agendas. I once coordinated the effort to steal a dog who was being neglected from her owner's garage, and when asked if I knew where she was, I looked people in the eye and said that I had no idea. Not my finest hour but my agenda was getting her to a safe place, so in that case, my lie had a positive purpose. That probably isn't the type of thing you're asking about but it comes to mind that sometimes a lie serves a good purpose. Mostly, it doesn't.

    Facts and data can be pesky things for those who want to lie.

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    Re: Are you willing to lie to push your agenda?

    One of the main differences between liberals and conservatives is that liberals lie to push their agenda. They base their beliefs largely on warm fuzzy feelings instead of cold hard facts and they believe that no matter what the facts show their way is the right way so if they have to lie to push their agenda so be it.

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    Re: Are you willing to lie to push your agenda?

    I lie all the time to spare people's feelings. Great poll, Kal.
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    Re: Are you willing to lie to push your agenda?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I'm opposed to lying but stretching the truth a little isn't the same thing, right?
    It's not and neither is a few strategic omissions.

    I voted yes incidentally, because for me to make the claim that I've never, in my life, lied to serve my own interests would be a lie.
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