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    Re: Are you willing to lie to push your agenda?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Stop. Let's stick to discovering what is actually true, please, not our opinions.
    So, yours is the only opinion that counts?
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    Re: Are you willing to lie to push your agenda?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    LOL okay. If that is your perspective then...well....it is a perspective. I don't share it but oh well. I can't see that it will matter much when it is all said and done.
    One kind of lie is deception, deception is concealing or misleading, one has to conceal and/or mislead in order to keep a non-disclosure agreement.

    And if you brake the non-disclosure agreement then you lied to the party you signed the agreement with.

    So if you sign a non-disclosure agreement, you lie no matter what you do.

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    Re: Are you willing to lie to push your agenda?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    So, yours is the only opinion that counts?
    No one's opinion counts. Only the truth counts.

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    Re: Are you willing to lie to push your agenda?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    No one's opinion counts. Only the truth counts.
    On an issue such as this one, truth is subjective.
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    Re: Are you willing to lie to push your agenda?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    On an issue such as this one, truth is subjective.
    Truth is objective.

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    Re: Are you willing to lie to push your agenda?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Truth is objective.
    Not always. You think that carrying a concealed weapon is lying. I think it is none of anyone's business, thus is not lying. These two opinions are subjective, based on our own points of view. There are some things which are factually true, and cannot be questioned. This is not one of those.
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    Re: Are you willing to lie to push your agenda?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Not always. You think that carrying a concealed weapon is lying. I think it is none of anyone's business, thus is not lying. These two opinions are subjective, based on our own points of view. There are some things which are factually true, and cannot be questioned. This is not one of those.
    You're talking about bold-faced lies, but that's not the only kind of lie.

    Different Types of Lies - Science of People
    HowStuffWorks "The Basics of Lies"

    Concealing is deception and deception is a lie. Rather or not it's anyone's business is not a part of the definitions of these words and so what is whose business has nothing to do with anything.

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    Re: Are you willing to lie to push your agenda?

    I marked "no" I am a conservative. If I were a liberal, I would have answered "yes". "Hussein" lies all the time.

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    Re: Are you willing to lie to push your agenda?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Concealing is deception and deception is a lie. Rather or not it's anyone's business is not a part of the definitions of these words and so what is whose business has nothing to do with anything.
    Do you have a moral obligation to tell everyone everything you do?
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    Re: Are you willing to lie to push your agenda?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Do you have a moral obligation to tell everyone everything you do?
    So instead of sticking to the topic you want to discuss members.

    Yes I lie all the time. I keep many things concealed, both personally and professionally. I lie every single day.

    And so do you.

    Everyone lies, every day.

    You said lying is subjective but it's the value judgment one places on a given lie which is subjective, not rather or not the thing don was a lie.
    Last edited by Jerry; 10-08-14 at 09:14 PM.

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