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    Re: Are you willing to lie to push your agenda?

    The problem these days is that people have different sources for their truth and ways of dismissing solid evidence.

    • Some people may be completely sincere in their understanding of the facts but they are getting their facts from inaccurate or deceptive sources.
    • Many people wrongly think that the anecdotal evidence that they have gathered through their life experience can be applied broadly. (ie. Everyone from Connorton that I have met has been mean, all people from Connorton must be mean)
    • Many people think that the people and events that they see in the media are representative of those people and places, ignoring the fact that it is nearly always only exceptional people and events that are featured in the news. They see a few extremists from a group and assume that they represent the whole group.
    • There is also "the few exceptions don't matter" rationalization for inaccurate beliefs. I.e. "Sure there are few exception but everyone else in Connorton is mean."
    • There is also prejudice and conspiracy theories that color people's understanding of the truth such as those who will not believe any statistics from academics and/or government.
    • And of course, religious beliefs are often favored over truths and realities that contradict those beliefs no matter how strong the evidence. Ie. "The devil created fossils to deceive people."

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    Re: Are you willing to lie to push your agenda?

    Almost everybody subconsciously lies to push their agenda. It doesn't make you more honest when you believe your own BS; it just means that you're gullible in addition to being dishonest.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Are you willing to lie to push your agenda?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    But, non disclosure of something irrelevant to the issue at hand is not covering up the truth.
    Sure, but as soon it becomes relevant to a given topic or activity in your day, and you don't reveal that proprietary or confidential information, you are concealing the truth and that's a lie.

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    Re: Are you willing to lie to push your agenda?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Sure, but as soon it becomes relevant to a given topic or activity in your day, and you don't reveal that proprietary or confidential information, you are concealing the truth and that's a lie.
    Only if you lead the other person to believe you do not have something on your person etc. Non disclosure is not a lie unless you want to believe every single person is lying every second of every day.
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    Re: Are you willing to lie to push your agenda?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So, you know the question....Are you willing to lie to push your agenda? Will you answer truthfully? I know thats an ironic thing to ask for this particular poll but I'm hoping that since the poll won't be public and not aimed at any particular agenda people will actually be emboldened enough to do so.

    Note: This is one of the VERY FEW polls that I will EVER make that is not public.
    Our political leaders sure are. It seems the ability to lie is the number prerequisite to run for office. In the end the politician who lies the best and tells the most lies that are believable wins.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Are you willing to lie to push your agenda?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Only if you lead the other person to believe you do not have something on your person etc.
    That's what happens when you conceal the item.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Non disclosure is not a lie unless you want to believe every single person is lying every second of every day.
    Every single person is lying every second of every day, in some way. Maybe the lie they tell is related to a non-disclosure agreement, or maybe they're lying to save someone's feelings, or maybe they're lying to protect their privacy...but everyone lies all the time.

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    Re: Are you willing to lie to push your agenda?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That's what happens when you conceal the item.


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    To me, that is not a lie. It is a "that's none of your business" thing. If I carry concealed, it is none of anyone else's business, as long as it's legal.
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    Re: Are you willing to lie to push your agenda?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That's what happens when you conceal the item.


    Every single person is lying every second of every day, in some way. Maybe the lie they tell is related to a non-disclosure agreement, or maybe they're lying to save someone's feelings, or maybe they're lying to protect their privacy...but everyone lies all the time.
    LOL okay. If that is your perspective then...well....it is a perspective. I don't share it but oh well. I can't see that it will matter much when it is all said and done.
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    Re: Are you willing to lie to push your agenda?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So, you know the question....Are you willing to lie to push your agenda? Will you answer truthfully? I know thats an ironic thing to ask for this particular poll but I'm hoping that since the poll won't be public and not aimed at any particular agenda people will actually be emboldened enough to do so.

    Note: This is one of the VERY FEW polls that I will EVER make that is not public.
    Would I lie about my agenda? In the case of politics and direction of government, the role it plays, etc.. No.

    Right, wrong, it consists of my take on what works, and what doesn't. It's based on my principles which are not negotiable, and are not for sale.

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    Re: Are you willing to lie to push your agenda?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    To me...
    Stop. Let's stick to discovering what is actually true, please, not our opinions.

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