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2016 - if it comes down to Clinton vs. Bush

What will you do?

  • Not vote

    Votes: 5 4.9%

  • Vote for Clinton

    Votes: 33 32.4%

  • Vote for Bush

    Votes: 28 27.5%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 3.9%

  • Other

    Votes: 32 31.4%
  • Total voters
    102
mperry said:
Don't you think you would just be wasting your vote? I would not be thrilled with those candidates either but I would vote for one or the other. I just dont see a 3rd party having a chance even if they are the better candidate.
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That is the going argument, a vote for a 3rd party is a vote wasted. I would counter with that is how we ensure the two party hold on the nation continues. Until more are willing to break away from ole (D) and (R) there is zero expectation we will see different results from either party. That explains well why the rare times both parties agree is when they work to keep another party off the ballot or not invite them to a debate.
 
upsideguy said:
Interesting that a libertarian would consider Finland a mecca.....

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"...Very interesting! I think you are very conflicted, my son. Tell me about your mother...."
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Perhaps I should be more clear - I have goals, dreams and plans (and am spinning my wheels here in the states).

Not only are my ancestors from that part of the world (and I want to get back to my roots), but I would love to join (or, at least, work with) this band (they are my age and are simply amazing):



I'm not so much running away, as I'm running towards something. Finland (and countries like it) own us when it comes to music, by the way. AND I'm good enough as a musician to more than make something of myself when I get there.

Now, if you will excuse me, I have to go practice my musical instruments - please don't bore me any further with crass insinuations.
 
Nightrider said:
Perhaps I should be more clear - I have goals, dreams and plans (and am spinning my wheels here in the states).

Not only are my ancestors from that part of the world (and I want to get back to my roots), but I would love to join (or, at least, work with) this band (they are my age and are simply amazing):



I'm not so much running away, as I'm running towards something. Finland (and countries like it) own us when it comes to music, by the way. AND I'm good enough as a musician to more than make something of myself when I get there.

Now, if you will excuse me, I have to go practice my musical instruments - please don't bore me any further with crass insinuations.
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Good for you. Bore you? Seriously? Surely you see the irony and humor of your original post: in essence, ".... if my libertarian candidate does not win, I will be so upset that I will run off an live in one of the most socialist countries in the world..."

Forgive me for illuminating the humor. It was such a hanging curve. ..... and, thanks for sharing about your mother (or father, which ever one is of Scandinavian descent), that wasn't so tough, was it?
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Unfortunately, If I was in this scenario, I would vote for Clinton then go drink a **** ton of Whiskey afterwards to ease the pain.
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But aren't you sick of that. Vote third party.
 
OrphanSlug said:
That is the going argument, a vote for a 3rd party is a vote wasted. I would counter with that is how we ensure the two party hold on the nation continues. Until more are willing to break away from ole (D) and (R) there is zero expectation we will see different results from either party. That explains well why the rare times both parties agree is when they work to keep another party off the ballot or not invite them to a debate.
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Yes, and it's a bull**** argument that guarantees the two party albatross perpetuates. With nearly 50% of voters registering as independents, if they truly voted independent of the two parties, they'd kick some ass, and what a shake up that would be to the two dinosaurs. I live for the day I see that happen.
 
upsideguy said:
Surely you see the irony and humor of your original post.
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I want to address this part of your post.

When I focus on the negative, I'm focusing on what I'm "running from."

When I focus on the positive, I'm focusing on what I'm running towards.

I made it clear in another post that I am leaving the forum and resigning from any future debates (here and/or elsewhere). So, I give up and you win.

By the way (and I have no idea why I'm asking you this), did you see Fleetwood Mac on the Today Show today? Absolutely fantastic! :happy:
 
American said:
Are you kidding? Clinton has zero leadership skills, and less personality than a lump of ****. She ain't no Slick Willie, and she can't speak. She's a droner at the microphone. Look at her resume for crying out loud for once! If it weren't for Bill Clinton, she would be nobody. You know what's worse than someone who votes for a (D) behind a name? Someone that votes for someone with zero skills for the job with a (D) behind their name.
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I assume from your tone that you're very pleased with the double elections of Barrack Obama who had personality and microphone skills sufficient to move the nation.
 
Unrepresented said:
I assume from your tone that you're very pleased with the double elections of Barrack Obama who had personality and microphone skills sufficient to move the nation.
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True, and in the end, many policies sufficient to harm the nation.
 
Unrepresented said:
I assume from your tone that you're very pleased with the double elections of Barrack Obama who had personality and microphone skills sufficient to move the nation.
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You know what they say about assuming things.
 
Montecresto said:
Yes, and it's a bull**** argument that guarantees the two party albatross perpetuates. With nearly 50% of voters registering as independents, if they truly voted independent of the two parties, they'd kick some ass, and what a shake up that would be to the two dinosaurs. I live for the day I see that happen.
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But how do we get them to vote, much less choose a person that all their varied "Independent" parties would agree upon. I would like that, but we, (and I include myself) have no major fund raisers like the Dems and REPs have. Can we maybe start a voting revolution?? maybe a capable internet approach??


HERE & NOW, I nominate ROMNEY to head the ticket. can we maybe DRAFT him?
 
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doniston said:
But how do we get them to vote, much less choose a person that all their varied "Independent" parties would agree upon. I would like that, but we, (and I include myself) have no major fund raisers like the Dems and REPs have. Can we maybe start a voting revolution?? maybe a capable internet approach??


HERE & NOW, I nominate ROMNEY to head the ticket. can we maybe DRAFT him?
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Dude! Romney's part of the establishment, and therefore part of the problem. Should I assume you were joking. Anyway, as to the independents, unfortunately 15-20% of them lean left and 15-20% of them lean right, so no! they wouldn't all vote the same way. But here's the thing, if they did all vote OTHER than republican or democrat, there's a strong possibility that a third party would receive as much or more than the two permanents. And that's the kind of upset I'd love to see in the establishment. And for another thing, I'm so sick of the same old same old, with these two parties taking us essentially to the same place but seeming not to because they travel somewhat separate paths, that I'd take a Green, Libertarian or other just to see what may really change. Because "yes we can" ended up meaning, yes we can copy Bush.
 
Dragonfly said:
Nooooooo!!!!!!!!!


That's the damn problem with this country. People think any vote not for a D or an R is a "wasted vote".

That's complete drivel and manipulative brainwashing bullsh!t that causes this country to constantly ping-pong back and forth between crooked liars, and lying crooks.

You are part of the problem, not part of the solution when you suggest such things.

Please stop it. For the good of the country, please stop it.
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I see what your saying but going by past history I dont remember a 3rd party candidate having a chance.
 
mperry said:
I see what your saying but going by past history I dont remember a 3rd party candidate having a chance.
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That's the whole point! Give them one.
 
Montecresto said:
Dude! Romney's part of the establishment, and therefore part of the problem. Should I assume you were joking. Anyway, as to the independents, unfortunately 15-20% of them lean left and 15-20% of them lean right, so no! they wouldn't all vote the same way. But here's the thing, if they did all vote OTHER than republican or democrat, there's a strong possibility that a third party would receive as much or more than the two permanents. And that's the kind of upset I'd love to see in the establishment. And for another thing, I'm so sick of the same old same old, with these two parties taking us essentially to the same place but seeming not to because they travel somewhat separate paths, that I'd take a Green, Libertarian or other just to see what may really change. Because "yes we can" ended up meaning, yes we can copy Bush.
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No, I'm not joking, and a third party candidate like Romney is the only hope to break the spell of the contineous round robin that we have been on for the past twenty years.or so. if you don'l like Romney, NAME ANOTHER that would have a chance.
 
Everyone knows I am a huge fan of GWB but Jeb is a lot smarter the George and he would bring Florida in the foal therefore I would vote for Jeb in a NY minute.
 
Nightrider said:
Whom will you vote for, if you vote at all?

I won't be voting, if it happens that way. Queen Hillary the 2nd vs. King Jeb the 3rd? LOL - thanks, but no thanks. Think I'd rather dive into a den of cobras, then have to choose between one of those clowns. :lol:

What's scary is that it may just happen - goes to show how dumb we are becoming, imo.

Discuss - poll soon to follow.
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No legacies!

It wouldn't matter which one, the end result would be the same.
 
mperry said:
I see what your saying but going by past history I dont remember a 3rd party candidate having a chance.
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All a 3rd party does is screw things up........They have zerro chance of electing their candidate.
 
Navy Pride said:
All a 3rd party does is screw things up........They have zerro chance of electing their candidate.
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Yeah, that's how we keep getting stuck with incrementally worse leaders. Voting for the lesser of two evils is still supporting evil.
 
Ikari said:
Yeah, that's how we keep getting stuck with incrementally worse leaders. Voting for the lesser of two evils is still supporting evil.
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That is a little harsh my left wing friend. If you think our system is so bad you can move to Iran or Cuba.
 
Ikari said:
Yeah, that's how we keep getting stuck with incrementally worse leaders. Voting for the lesser of two evils is still supporting evil.
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Voting for the lesser of two evils is a good, smart decision.
 
Navy Pride said:
All a 3rd party does is screw things up........They have zerro chance of electing their candidate.
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The two parties in power weren't the same two parties in power historically. Things do change.
 
Navy Pride said:
That is a little harsh my left wing friend. If you think our system is so bad you can move to Iran or Cuba.
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Keep supporting evil, and you'll find us in a place that ain't so much better, my super-left-wing-big-government-loving-big-debt-supporting-big-war-loving friend.

Only the insane repeat the same actions over and over, expecting a different result. The Republic is slipping away, and you're just pissin on the grave.
 
Fiddytree said:
In your definition, yes. I think it's the mature thing to do.
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I think it's an stupid thing to do. It could be OK as a one off, but election after election? Nope just drags us all to hell. Of course, if that is your goal then it is the "smart" choice.
 
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