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    Re: 2016 - if it comes down to Clinton vs. Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    We can't, that is the sad part of all of this. Both parties owe their heart and soul to the money folks, to corporations, wall street, special interests, lobbyist, huge money donors. Neither party will do a thing to upset their sources of campaign cash.

    Oh the rhetoric might be different, but it is always with a wink, wink, nudge, nudge assurances to those who provide the money they won't step on their toes.
    Ok, and this is not profound, we've known it forever, who's the guy that said there's a dimes thickness of difference in the two parties, you always know, lol. Anyway, it really and truly is way past time for a third party (at least) independents are in the upper thirty % now. If they really would vote independent, one of the other parties, Green, Libertarian, what have you, just imagine what that would do to the two party albatross.
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    Re: 2016 - if it comes down to Clinton vs. Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    That's probably because they remember a time not too long ago when the parties actually compromised with each other to get things done for the good of the people in this country, and they liked that idea. It must have been a childish thought, though, since it only seems to happen these days when they have to vote on something like exempting themselves from laws that the rest of us have to live by, and other personal self-interest things like perks and such. No partisan thinking there!
    You pretty much hit the nail on the head. I have been working on my senate update. I decide since it is getting close to the election, instead of waiting until 1 November for my next update, I will do on one the 10th and 20th of this month, plus my final on 1 November.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: 2016 - if it comes down to Clinton vs. Bush

    I don't think that the nation could survive another Bush, and the neo-cons who front them, in the White House. Thus, I would have to vote in a way that would prevent this, meaning supporting the Democrats for the first time in a presidential election. I say this, still seeing them both anathema to my belief in limited government.

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    Re: 2016 - if it comes down to Clinton vs. Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Ok, and this is not profound, we've known it forever, who's the guy that said there's a dimes thickness of difference in the two parties, you always know, lol. Anyway, it really and truly is way past time for a third party (at least) independents are in the upper thirty % now. If they really would vote independent, one of the other parties, Green, Libertarian, what have you, just imagine what that would do to the two party albatross.
    George Wallace while running as the American Independent Party back in 1968 said, "There's not a dimes worth of difference between the two parties."

    Actually according to Gallup, as of 7 September of this year the party affiliation is broken down 26% identify or affiliate themselves with the Democratic Party, 25% with the Republican Party and 47% profess to be independents. Of those 47% who say they are independents, 16% lean towards the Democrats, 22% towards the Republicans and 9% are classified as true independent. Here is the history of Party affiliation since 1935, just in case you are interested.

    Here is a list of party affiliation from 1935 to present. I find it quite interesting that the Republican Party has never been higher than 35% of the electorate and that occurred in both 1945 and 1955. Truman had replaced FDR in 1945 and WWII had come to an end. In 1955 Eisenhower was president and was popular with both parties. Everyone liked IKE. Whereas the Democrats have been as high as 52%, 1965 a year after the Goldwater debacle and passage of the civil rights act of 1964 and as low as 30% which the Democrats registered in 2011 and 2013. The Republicans all time low was 21% the year after Nixon resigned from office in 1975 because of Watergate. Today’s mark of 26% for the Democrats ties their record low which was recorded on August 14th of 2011.


    Pew Research for the 1935-2000 numbers/Gallup for 2005-Today

    Year…Dem…Rep…Ind…Ind.Lean.Dem….Ind.Lean.Rep…..True .Ind
    1935…51……30……19
    1940…50……32……18
    1945…47……35…..18
    1950…48……32…..20
    1955…47……35…..18
    1960…51……29…..20
    1965…52……24….24
    1970…47……27…..26
    1975…51……21…..28
    1980…45……27…..28
    1985…40……32…...28
    1990…38……30…..32
    1995…32……32…..36
    2000…34……30…..36
    2005…34……33……30………..14…………………....8…………………8
    2010…32……33…..34………..12……………………15…………………7
    2011…30……27…..42………..18……………………15…………………9
    2012…35……30…..33………..16……………………12…………………5
    2013…30……24….44………..14…………………..18………………..13
    2014…26……25….47………..16…………………..22………………….9…..As of September 7, 2014
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: 2016 - if it comes down to Clinton vs. Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    You pretty much hit the nail on the head. I have been working on my senate update. I decide since it is getting close to the election, instead of waiting until 1 November for my next update, I will do on one the 10th and 20th of this month, plus my final on 1 November.
    I'll be very interested in reading those!

    My neighbor just called to remind me that there's a big lunar eclipse at 0445 tomorrow morning. It's supposed to be raining here, though, so I don't know if we could see it in this area even if I set my alarm.

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    Re: 2016 - if it comes down to Clinton vs. Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I'll be very interested in reading those!

    My neighbor just called to remind me that there's a big lunar eclipse at 0445 tomorrow morning. It's supposed to be raining here, though, so I don't know if we could see it in this area even if I set my alarm.
    I never heard of that. But I sure ain't getting up that early.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: 2016 - if it comes down to Clinton vs. Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    George Wallace while running as the American Independent Party back in 1968 said, "There's not a dimes worth of difference between the two parties."

    Actually according to Gallup, as of 7 September of this year the party affiliation is broken down 26% identify or affiliate themselves with the Democratic Party, 25% with the Republican Party and 47% profess to be independents. Of those 47% who say they are independents, 16% lean towards the Democrats, 22% towards the Republicans and 9% are classified as true independent. Here is the history of Party affiliation since 1935, just in case you are interested.

    Here is a list of party affiliation from 1935 to present. I find it quite interesting that the Republican Party has never been higher than 35% of the electorate and that occurred in both 1945 and 1955. Truman had replaced FDR in 1945 and WWII had come to an end. In 1955 Eisenhower was president and was popular with both parties. Everyone liked IKE. Whereas the Democrats have been as high as 52%, 1965 a year after the Goldwater debacle and passage of the civil rights act of 1964 and as low as 30% which the Democrats registered in 2011 and 2013. The Republicans all time low was 21% the year after Nixon resigned from office in 1975 because of Watergate. Today’s mark of 26% for the Democrats ties their record low which was recorded on August 14th of 2011.


    Pew Research for the 1935-2000 numbers/Gallup for 2005-Today

    Year…Dem…Rep…Ind…Ind.Lean.Dem….Ind.Lean.Rep…..True .Ind
    1935…51……30……19
    1940…50……32……18
    1945…47……35…..18
    1950…48……32…..20
    1955…47……35…..18
    1960…51……29…..20
    1965…52……24….24
    1970…47……27…..26
    1975…51……21…..28
    1980…45……27…..28
    1985…40……32…...28
    1990…38……30…..32
    1995…32……32…..36
    2000…34……30…..36
    2005…34……33……30………..14…………………....8…………………8
    2010…32……33…..34………..12……………………15…………………7
    2011…30……27…..42………..18……………………15…………………9
    2012…35……30…..33………..16……………………12…………………5
    2013…30……24….44………..14…………………..18………………..13
    2014…26……25….47………..16…………………..22………………….9…..As of September 7, 2014
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    Re: 2016 - if it comes down to Clinton vs. Bush

    We may as well have a monarchy if these are our 'choices.' Bush III vs Clinton II. Does anyone really believe this is democracy?

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    Re: 2016 - if it comes down to Clinton vs. Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    George Wallace while running as the American Independent Party back in 1968 said, "There's not a dimes worth of difference between the two parties."

    Actually according to Gallup, as of 7 September of this year the party affiliation is broken down 26% identify or affiliate themselves with the Democratic Party, 25% with the Republican Party and 47% profess to be independents. Of those 47% who say they are independents, 16% lean towards the Democrats, 22% towards the Republicans and 9% are classified as true independent. Here is the history of Party affiliation since 1935, just in case you are interested.

    Here is a list of party affiliation from 1935 to present. I find it quite interesting that the Republican Party has never been higher than 35% of the electorate and that occurred in both 1945 and 1955. Truman had replaced FDR in 1945 and WWII had come to an end. In 1955 Eisenhower was president and was popular with both parties. Everyone liked IKE. Whereas the Democrats have been as high as 52%, 1965 a year after the Goldwater debacle and passage of the civil rights act of 1964 and as low as 30% which the Democrats registered in 2011 and 2013. The Republicans all time low was 21% the year after Nixon resigned from office in 1975 because of Watergate. Today’s mark of 26% for the Democrats ties their record low which was recorded on August 14th of 2011.


    Pew Research for the 1935-2000 numbers/Gallup for 2005-Today

    Year…Dem…Rep…Ind…Ind.Lean.Dem….Ind.Lean.Rep…..True .Ind
    1935…51……30……19
    1940…50……32……18
    1945…47……35…..18
    1950…48……32…..20
    1955…47……35…..18
    1960…51……29…..20
    1965…52……24….24
    1970…47……27…..26
    1975…51……21…..28
    1980…45……27…..28
    1985…40……32…...28
    1990…38……30…..32
    1995…32……32…..36
    2000…34……30…..36
    2005…34……33……30………..14…………………....8…………………8
    2010…32……33…..34………..12……………………15…………………7
    2011…30……27…..42………..18……………………15…………………9
    2012…35……30…..33………..16……………………12…………………5
    2013…30……24….44………..14…………………..18………………..13
    2014…26……25….47………..16…………………..22………………….9…..As of September 7, 2014
    Cool, I've seen that before, was that you that posted it?
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    Re: 2016 - if it comes down to Clinton vs. Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    We may as well have a monarchy if these are our 'choices.' Bush III vs Clinton II. Does anyone really believe this is democracy?
    That's what I've been asking?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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