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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Watching you jump from one to the others is like watching somebody connect the dots on different pages....

    in different coloring books altogether.
    this is your reply?

    so you have nothing as usual......

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Those idiots.
    preambles are introductions to documents

    the Constitution preamble has no legal power.

    the preamble to the bill of rights states the clauses 1-10 of the bill of rights ARE declaratory and restrictive on the federal government.

    The U.S. Bill of Rights

    The Preamble to The Bill of Rights

    Congress of the United States
    begun and held at the City of New-York, on
    Wednesday the fourth of March, one thousand seven hundred and eighty nine.

    THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.


    haymarket wishes to act because the preamble was not ratified, this somehow makes the 1 -10 amendments not declaratory of restrictive....but that's false coming from him, .........they are

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    this is your reply?

    so you have nothing as usual......
    When I m replying to nothing in the first place - its difficult to turn it into something without any ingredients. And that is what your rants about the preamble to the bills of rights are ---- I think Shakespeare said it best.... MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING.

    preambles are introductions to documents

    the Constitution preamble has no legal power.

    the preamble to the bill of rights states the clauses 1-10 of the bill of rights ARE declaratory and restrictive on the federal government.
    The Preamble to the Constitution is part of the Constitution.
    The preamble to the Bill of Rights is NOT part of the Constitution.

    What is there about these realities that seem to confound and befuddle you so much?

    Oh wait!!!! I get it now!!!! You don't like the contents of the Constitution preamble but you do like the contents of the bill of rights preamble.

    Now it all makes sense.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    When I m replying to nothing in the first place - its difficult to turn it into something without any ingredients. And that is what your rants about the preamble to the bills of rights are ---- I think Shakespeare said it best.... MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING.
    sorry, but here you fail again....i stated clearly....very clearly, that the preamble to the bill of rights is an introduction to the 10 amendments.

    the preamble states those 10 amendment are declaratory and restrictive on the federal government, .....and they are, this is fact!

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    sorry, but here you fail again....i stated clearly....very clearly, that the preamble to the bill of rights is an introduction to the 10 amendments.

    the preamble states those 10 amendment are declaratory and restrictive on the federal government, .....and they are, this is fact!
    The toilet paper I used this morning has more utilitarian use than your precious preamble to the bill of rights.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The toilet paper I used this morning has more utilitarian use than your precious preamble to the bill of rights.

    another fail.....

    QUESTION TO YOU:

    are the first 10 amendments to the Constitution declaratory and restrictive on the federal government?........YES OR NO?

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    another fail.....

    QUESTION TO YOU:

    are the first 10 amendments to the Constitution declaratory and restrictive on the federal government?........YES OR NO?
    Well everything that is a statement declares something if that is what you mean. And the federal government certainly has restrictions on it in many many many ways from many different parts of the Constitution.

    But if that is not good enough for you - and practical common sense answers rarely are - you will have to explain to me what you mean by those two terms and what your agenda is in using them. I went online and tried to research the terms as you use them and all I got was a small number of right libertarian sites. The terms seem to have the cache of sacred scripture to the far right but are virtually meaningless to anybody else not clued in to the cause celebre.

    http://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com...ctive-clauses/

    http://www.barefootsworld.net/consti10.html

    Why is that? Who is the apostle of this new gospel and why are they preaching it and why are you a convert to it?
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post



    The Preamble to the Constitution is part of the Constitution.
    The preamble to the Bill of Rights is NOT part of the Constitution.

    What is there about these realities that seem to confound and befuddle you so much?

    Oh wait!!!! I get it now!!!! You don't like the contents of the Constitution preamble but you do like the contents of the bill of rights preamble.

    Now it all makes sense.
    The U.S. Bill of Rights

    The Preamble to The Bill of Rights

    Congress of the United States
    begun and held at the City of New-York, on
    Wednesday the fourth of March, one thousand seven hundred and eighty nine.

    THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.

    RESOLVED by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, two thirds of both Houses concurring, that the following Articles be proposed to the Legislatures of the several States, as amendments to the Constitution of the United States, all, or any of which Articles, when ratified by three fourths of the said Legislatures, to be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of the said Constitution; viz.

    ARTICLES in addition to, and Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America, proposed by Congress, and ratified by the Legislatures of the several States, pursuant to the fifth Article of the original Constitution.

    Note: The following text is a transcription of the first ten amendments to the Constitution in their original form. These amendments were ratified December 15, 1791, and form what is known as the "Bill of Rights."

    Amendment I


    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    Amendment II

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    Amendment III

    No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

    Amendment IV

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    Amendment V

    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

    Amendment VI

    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

    Amendment VII

    In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

    Amendment VIII

    Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

    Amendment IX

    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

    Amendment X

    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

    Bill of Rights Transcript Text

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    The U.S. Bill of Rights

    The Preamble to The Bill of Rights
    yup - thats it.

    so what? Its not part of the Constitution.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    yup - thats it.

    so what? Its not part of the Constitution.
    again fail, the amendments 1-10 were ratified and they are declaratory and restrictive on the federal government

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