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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    how can I fail when the preamble to the bill of rights is not part of the Constitution and has no legal weight?
    the preamble again to the bill of rights is stating that the clauses of the bill of rights [which were ratified ] and law, are declaratory and restrictive clauses on the federal government..this is fact!

    the Constitution preamble has no legal weight.

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Out of one side of your mouth, you claim the preamble of the Constitution carries no legal weight, while out of the other side of your mouth, you cite "linguistics experts" as having legal weight in the interpretation of the Constitution. Make up your mind, would you? How can an actual part of the document carry less weight, "legally", than a modern "scholar's" interpretation of said document?
    The opinion of professional linguists has only the weight which the Justices decide to give it. No more and no less.

    The preamble to the bill of rights was not ratified by the number of states necessary and is not a part of the Constitution and has no legal weight.

    You do realize that these are two different and separate things...... don't you?
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the preamble again to the bill of rights is stating that the clauses of the bill of rights [which were ratified ] and law, are declaratory and restrictive clauses on the federal government..this is fact!

    the Constitution preamble has no legal weight.
    I could not care less what it states. it is not a part of the Constitution.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I could not care less what it states. it is not a part of the Constitution.
    the amendments to the Constitution are......and they are declaratory and restrictive on the federal government...this is fact!

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the amendments to the Constitution are......and they are declaratory and restrictive on the federal government...this is fact!
    and could you tell us why you feel it is necessary and important to label the amendments this way and what it proves to you?
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    and could you tell us why you feel it is necessary and important to label the amendments this way and what it proves to you?
    simple.... it means the federal government is powerless in these areas.

    it means the amendments to not grant any powers to the federal government

    so it means the federal government cannot make laws about militias of the states, or the rights of the people of each state to keep and bear arms.

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    simple.... it means the federal government is powerless in these areas.

    it means the amendments to not grant any powers to the federal government

    so it means the federal government cannot make laws about militias of the states, or the rights of the people of each state to keep and bear arms.
    Watching you jump from one to the others is like watching somebody connect the dots on different pages....

    in different coloring books altogether.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    ANYTHING in the preamble to the Bill of Rights has NO WEIGHT of law and is not part of the Constitution. As such it is irrelevant to any issues regarding the Constitution.
    Wait....

    How is something that puts the document it preambles into context NOT important?

    What fool decided that part had no weight of law?
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Wait....

    How is something that puts the document it preambles into context NOT important?

    What fool decided that part had no weight of law?
    that would be the people who either DID NOT submit it to the states for ratification or the people in the states who failed to ratify it making it part of the Constitution.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    that would be the people who either DID NOT submit it to the states for ratification or the people in the states who failed to ratify it making it part of the Constitution.
    Those idiots.
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