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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Why are you being intentionally dishonest and twisting and perverting what I actually said?
    Please demonstrate precisely where I have done this.

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Please demonstrate precisely where I have done this.
    your recent post 899

    So you go on and on about how the 2A doesn't protect the rights of individuals, then you admit you really have no idea what you are talking about. I appreciate your candor. I'm glad we cleared that up.
    it was you trying (and failing) to be a smartass. I told you in a previous post that I am not a professional linguist and I do not have the training in that field to discuss their craft or their findings with any degree of expertise.


    my post 889
    To be brutally honest - I do not know enough about the subject of linguistics to offer a constructive and educated opinion that could effectively counter any of theirs.
    Got it? Clear now?

    So what do you do? You see an enemy in your sights and decide to take what I said about linguists to pervert it and twist it and apply it dishonestly to my statements about the Second Amendment - something which I have studied in detail and do have training and expertise in.

    Are we clear now as to what you did even though you darn well know what you did when you did it and did so intentionally hoping to score some cheap points?
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm sorry, I thought the context was clear. Now, try addressing the context I set up in my response.
    it was clear.......you said experts....these then are your experts.

    man grew wheat to feed to his cattle...the court, interprets that to mean the government can regulate commence inside states?

    because wild birds fly between bodies of water in different states, this allows government to make environmental laws?

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no more than any other suggestion for inclusion in the Constitution which failed to get ratified and included in it.
    you seem to not want to answer property....

    the clause of the bill of rights are declaratory and restrictive to the federal government ....that is fact

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you seem to not want to answer property....

    the clause of the bill of rights are declaratory and restrictive to the federal government ....that is fact
    I do not see how you can mistake my answer for anything but 100% direct. the Preamble to the Bill of Rights is NOT part of the US Constitution and has no more weight than any other idea ever suggested for inclusion in the Constitution but never included as part of it - which is to say no legal weight of any kind.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I do not see how you can mistake my answer for anything but 100% direct. the Preamble to the Bill of Rights is NOT part of the US Constitution and has no more weight than any other idea ever suggested for inclusion in the Constitution but never included as part of it - which is to say no legal weight of any kind.
    again you side step.....the part in red

    the preamble to the constitution and the bill of rights, have " NO WEIGHT", both are introduction statements...the constitution preamble in the mission statement or goal of the constitution.

    the preamble to the bill of rights, introduces the clauses of the bill of rights as declaratory and restrictive on the federal government.......that is FACT!


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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    again you side step.....the part in red

    the preamble to the constitution and the bill of rights, have " NO WEIGHT", both are introduction statements...the constitution preamble in the mission statement or goal of the constitution.

    the preamble to the bill of rights, introduces the clauses of the bill of rights as declaratory and restrictive on the federal government.......that is FACT!

    ANYTHING in the preamble to the Bill of Rights has NO WEIGHT of law and is not part of the Constitution. As such it is irrelevant to any issues regarding the Constitution.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    ANYTHING in the preamble to the Bill of Rights has NO WEIGHT of law and is not part of the Constitution. As such it is irrelevant to any issues regarding the Constitution.
    again you fail......the bill of rights preamble is stating that the clauses of the bill of rights are declaratory and restrictive on the federal government....this is fact!

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    again you fail......the bill of rights preamble is stating that the clauses of the bill of rights are declaratory and restrictive on the federal government....this is fact!
    how can I fail when the preamble to the bill of rights is not part of the Constitution and has no legal weight?
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I do not see how you can mistake my answer for anything but 100% direct. the Preamble to the Bill of Rights is NOT part of the US Constitution and has no more weight than any other idea ever suggested for inclusion in the Constitution but never included as part of it - which is to say no legal weight of any kind.
    Out of one side of your mouth, you claim the preamble of the Constitution carries no legal weight, while out of the other side of your mouth, you cite "linguistics experts" as having legal weight in the interpretation of the Constitution. Make up your mind, would you? How can an actual part of the document carry less weight, "legally", than a modern "scholar's" interpretation of said document?

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