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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    The founders certainly did not consider shooting down tyrants or their henchmen to be murder. Check out the Great Seal of the Commonwealth of Virginia

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Willie Orwontee View Post
    Except Congress did it in the [URL="http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html"][B]Preamble to the articles of amendment transmitted to the states

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    which is not part of the US Constitution.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    anything civilian cops can use in terms of firearms other civilians should be able to own

    why do you want criminals to have the upper hand against your neighbors and fellow citizens.

    as I educated you earlier-the weapons most useful for assassination and revolution are not the same as the ones Democrats are trying to ban. You are trying to ban the best defensive weapons so its is obvious to me, the goal of the Democrats is not to protect cops from rebelling patriots but to protect criminals from their intended victims
    And when did it suddenly become a cause celebre among the far right to redefine what a CIVILIAN is?
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    which is not part of the US Constitution.
    So the castle in the sky that you have erected, in complete and irreconcilable opposition to foundational principle is what you are going to run with?

    Please explain how the fragment "A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State," can be read to demand any action or circumstance be initiated or maintained.

    Please cite and quote any opinion / statement by SCOTUS that holds that the declaratory clause of the 2nd Amendment has any legal weight or offers any guidance on anything.

    Please explain why you defend all manner of gun control placed on private citizens who have no militia enrollment status, by citing Congressional powers to regulate the militia but
    a), SCOTUS has said that those powers only flow from Art. I, 8 and
    b), not one gun control law that operates on private citizens and their personal arms is written under militia powers / authority . . .
    I already have a license to own a gun; it's called a birth certificate.

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    our right to own current state of the art infantry (militia) rifles
    LOL. Not sure that was ever the right, but one thing for sure, the courts have allowed for reasonable restrictions. The precedence is settled on that. And not new under Obama or democrats or anyone one else you care to demonize. Few rights are absolute.

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Willie Orwontee View Post
    So the castle in the sky that you have erected, in complete and irreconcilable opposition to foundational principle is what you are going to run with?
    Sorry - I have no idea what that means.


    Please explain how the fragment "A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State," can be read to demand any action or circumstance be initiated or maintained.
    sorry - but I have no idea what that means either.



    Please cite and quote any opinion / statement by SCOTUS that holds that the declaratory clause of the 2nd Amendment has any legal weight or offers any guidance on anything.
    What declaratory clause? Its one sentence for heavens sake. Is this part of the Scalia PREFATORY/OPERANT scam that we saw him employ so horrible and inaccurately in Heller
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    Please explain why you defend all manner of gun control placed on private citizens
    Your blatantly false premise renders all that comes after it irrelevant. I DO NOT defend all manner of gun control. In fact, I am on record as saying the DC gun ban went to far and set an environment where the right could not be exercised.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    LOL. Not sure that was ever the right, but one thing for sure, the courts have allowed for reasonable restrictions. The precedence is settled on that. And not new under Obama or democrats or anyone one else you care to demonize. Few rights are absolute.
    actually the supreme court has really not done that.



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And when did it suddenly become a cause celebre among the far right to redefine what a CIVILIAN is?
    that is ridiculous. It was only after the far wrong pretended cops are not civilians because of the Heller implications. Cops have always been civilians



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that is ridiculous. It was only after the far wrong pretended cops are not civilians because of the Heller implications. Cops have always been civilians
    So are you again confirming that it was as a result of the Heller decision that this cause celebre started on the far right of this issue?
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So are you again confirming that it was as a result of the Heller decision that this cause celebre started on the far right of this issue?
    you are the one who has tried to claim-despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, that cops are not civilians. Like the 2A's intent being prohibiting government intrusions, civilian cops are civilians is pretty much a given to just about anyone who doesn't start with an anti gun agenda and try to work backwards



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