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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Okay, then let's play out this silly game of semantics to it's logical conclusion. Are you seriously trying to convince us that the founders meant that only, " white free men between the ages of 18 and 45", were "the people" referred to by the 2A? If that were the case, why didn't the founders simply say so? Why use the unambiguous term "the people"?

    I noticed you failed to provide an example of the Constitution using the term "the people" aside from the 2A, where the meaning can be anything other than the whole of the people. Did you forget?
    They did say who they were talking about in the first half of the Amendment. the experts on linguistics said as much in the Scalia opinion:

    In the Second Amendment, the term is employed in its natural, unadorned state and, therefore, one must conclude, was used idiomatically to refer to military service.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    where does the 2A ammendment state that the federal government can not make laws concerning firearms?

    are gun laws of any kind considered an infringement?
    since the bill of rights was created specificity [its sole purpose] as a prohibition on federal government only, to prevent them from infringing on the rights of the people and to reassure the anti-federalist against a federal government they thought to powerful, ..........but also securing their votes to ratify the Constitution.

    the federal government by constitutional law, is granted no authority to create any guns laws in the life's liberty and property of the people who reside in the 50 states.

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Article I Section 8 says otherwise. But you know that since I have informed you of it many many many times in many many treads.





    Your serious misuse of the term shows you again have no idea what it means. The fact is that natural rights are a belief. They exist only in the mind of the willful believer.





    people can believe in gods or God or faeries or Santa Claus. that does not make them real.




    No it is not. It makes perfect sense in the real world divorced from a belief natural rights, elves, fairies and gods dispensing rights like Halloween candy to costumed toddlers disguised as Superman and Barnie.
    I want you to cite the specific language that actually mentions a federal gun control power. We know that Liberals pretend and divine such a power but I want to see the plain language

    and again this is disingenuous given how you construe the 2A and then start engaging in a completely different set of standards for Sec 8. SORRY, there is no such power given and you know that



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Here is the bottom line. SOme people don't like other people owning guns. They also don't like the fact that some states refuse to persecute gun owners. So these gun haters dishonestly and nefariously claim that the the federal government can persecute gun ownership on a national level

    Now the first time this happened it was nothing more than a patent and craven attempt by FDR to pander to voters over the worries about bootleggers with machine guns. and FDR needed a power to pander so he dishonestly changed the constitution to "obtain" that power to pander.

    Currently, its nothing more than lefties wanting to harass conservative gun owners on a national level



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    They did say who they were talking about in the first half of the Amendment. the experts on linguistics said as much in the Scalia opinion:
    No they didn't, they merely said a well regulated militia was necessary, they never said arms could only be kept in that context. In fact, they said just the opposite.


    Why do you keep tap dancing around my other question? Afraid it may bolster my point?
    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy
    I noticed you failed to provide an example of the Constitution using the term "the people" aside from the 2A, where the meaning can be anything other than the whole of the people. Did you forget?

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    No they didn't, they merely said a well regulated militia was necessary, they never said arms could only be kept in that context. In fact, they said just the opposite.


    Why do you keep tap dancing around my other question? Afraid it may bolster my point?
    Just remember this. Gun haters know the 2A prevents federal gun rights encroachments and they also know that the Constitution never gave a limited federal government any specific power to intrude on gun rights. But harassing gun owners means more to them then being honest about the founders. So they pretend that a federal power to harass gun ownership exists



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Yes,

    And I will try to take a neutral stance on it. The 2nd Amendment should be re-written from;

    A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

    To (For gun nuts);

    The right of the people to keep and bear arms for self defense, shall not be infringed.

    To (For anti-gun nuts);

    The right of the people to self defense, shall not be infringed.

    The latter, would clarify the rights of citizens to own firearms, apart from being in a militia, to defend themselves. The second version would simply allow us to debate and determine what method of self defense is legal and would allow each state to legislate that separate from the Federal government.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So you have thrown in the towel apparently and now its you playing Miss Manners advice column. Fine with me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    What did I claim you said that you didnt? I explicitly said that you used an invalid quote to make your point and you denied it.

    I explained and bolded exactly how I interpreted and that the quote contained exactly that.

    I can do this all day....man up and admit you were wrong or explain how the quote supported your position. I have firewood to split and it's raining out.
    Can you support the quote you posted and why you posted it or are you in the habit of posting things you do not understand?
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Can you support the quote you posted and why you posted it or are you in the habit of posting things you do not understand?
    I think your analysis is correct.



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    They did say who they were talking about in the first half of the Amendment. the experts on linguistics said as much in the Scalia opinion:
    except MIlitary service is not a natural right that would be part of the Bill of rights

    major fail



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