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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    You posted a quote that said people dont need ARs. About something covered in the 2A...a Constitutional Right.

    I posted a bunch of things that people dont need, yet are allowed to have (and arent even covered by a Constitutional Right) yet can be dangerous or 'not necessary,' yet in America, personal liberty and free will are paramount and not just restricted because 'we dont need them.'

    RR's quote said the same...and while it may be true people dont need ARs (and some here would contest that) that has absolutely no bearing on if they 'want' them or not.
    An AR should be perhaps the most protected weapon for at least 2 reasons:

    1. It represents THE militia weapon. One cannot maintain a militia without a modern rifle.

    2. It represents the vast majority of rifle knowledge in this country. Banning the AR would be removing the only rifle 90% of people know (through military or police service).

    Banning the AR strikes directly at the 2nd and the collective rifle proficiency of the country.

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I do not remember that. Could you please post it so I can examine it and give you a proper response?

    But I made it very clear to you that you were replying to my post that you reproduced in 479 and I said NOTHING about NEED in that post you replied to.
    I do not believe in taking away the right of the citizen for sporting, for hunting and so forth, or for home defense. But I do believe that an AK-47, a machine gun, is not a sporting weapon or needed for defense of a home.

    ~Ronald Reagan, at his birthday celebration in 1989.


    Thus implying that we dont 'need' it for sport and explicitly saying it for self-defense.

    And beyond what I wrote, it is indeed needed to fulfill the primary goal of the 2A....for use against govt tyranny, as Ecofarm also pointed out. It doesnt matter if it's 'needed' for those other things....that isnt the purpose of the 2A to begin with.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    An AR should be perhaps the most protected weapon for at least 2 reasons:

    1. It represents THE militia weapon. One cannot maintain a militia without a modern rifle.

    2. It represents the vast majority of rifle knowledge in this country. Banning the AR would be removing the only rifle 90% of people know (through military or police service).

    Banning the AR strikes directly at the 2nd and the collective rifle proficiency of the country.
    Since we do NOT have a militia any longer and have not had one for a very long time now and it has been replaced by professional standing armies - your concerns are irrelevant.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    “I do not believe in taking away the right of the citizen for sporting, for hunting and so forth, or for home defense. But I do believe that an AK-47, a machine gun, is not a sporting weapon or needed for defense of a home.”

    ~Ronald Reagan, at his birthday celebration in 1989.


    Thus implying that we dont 'need' it for sport and explicitly saying it for self-defense.

    And beyond what I wrote, it is indeed needed to fulfill the primary goal of the 2A....for use against govt tyranny, as Ecofarm also pointed out. It doesnt matter if it's 'needed' for those other things....that isnt the purpose of the 2A to begin with.
    Like I said - you want to argue with Reagan - go for it.

    The Second Amendment says nothing about government tyranny. It does say a whole lot about militia service. And that is the purpose of it.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Like I said - you want to argue with Reagan - go for it.

    The Second Amendment says nothing about government tyranny. It does say a whole lot about militia service. And that is the purpose of it.
    LOL

    OK, you admit your post and quote meant nothing relevant.

    What a waste of typing.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Since we do NOT have a militia any longer and have not had one for a very long time now and it has been replaced by professional standing armies - your concerns are irrelevant.
    The citizens are/were the militia. They were considered completely separate from standing armies EXPRESSLY to act against such if the need to act against the govt arose.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Hell no. Don't touch my 2nd Amendment.





    Not unless you're going to strengthen and clarify it even further as an individual right not to be infringed upon.
    It doesn't even need clarification IMO, it's crystal clear to anyone approaching it honestly. An amendment should be passed that states any attempts to corrupt a constitutional amendment found within the BOR is an automatic charge of either treason or attempt to overthrow the government.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Please read the Constitution, and get back to us. The 2nd Amendment is not a states rights issue. States do not have a legal right to regulate firearms.
    They did prior to the fourteenth amendment because it was a prohibition against federal overreach, however the 14A bound the states and their respective legislatures to the founding document.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    LOL

    OK, you admit your post and quote meant nothing relevant.

    What a waste of typing.
    nope - I said nothing of the kind. I have no idea where your source is for all this stuff you make up in a sad effort to try to score some points.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    The citizens are/were the militia. They were considered completely separate from standing armies EXPRESSLY to act against such if the need to act against the govt arose.
    Which citizens? The founders wanted no standing army to be separate from. The Amendment says nothing about fighting government tyranny.
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