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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I guess we'll just go with this then, since you willfully choose to ignore it, as you didnt ask for clarification (on how it doesnt apply to the 2A anymore than the other things I mentioned.).
    I did read that when you originally posted it. So what? Reagan said what he said about guns and the issue and it is entirely a valid statement. I simply do not get what you think your point is.

    I am always mystified how when you tell people that - instead of trying to go about it a different way so that they may be understood - they simply repeat the same thing which you already told them is NOT getting their message across.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I did read that when you originally posted it. So what? Reagan said what he said about guns and the issue and it is entirely a valid statement. I simply do not get what you think your point is.

    I am always mystified how when you tell people that - instead of trying to go about it a different way so that they may be understood - they simply repeat the same thing which you already told them is NOT getting their message across.
    It's not valid because of the examples I gave. You are not arguing the content of my post...IMO you cant and have your original post stand...you are attempting to argue that you just dont like that I wont accept your avoidance.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    It's not valid because of the examples I gave. You are not arguing the content of my post...IMO you cant and have your original post stand...you are attempting to argue that you just dont like that I wont accept your avoidance.
    What specific content of your post? Are you talking about this from 479?

    Men dont need muscle cars either. People dont 'need' 4-wheelers, they can get around perfectly find with a 4WD SUV.

    Who needs a $6000 Fendi bag? Did I miss where anyone needs personal 4 or 6 seater airplanes?

    In America, it's called 'free will' and 'personal liberty.' (And before you try it, lots of these things, named and unnamed, can kill if used improperly).
    which you appeared to be replying to my post that reprodced to it as a lead in .... as follows

    Originally Posted by haymarket
    Both apply. There is a ton of honest and decent people in this nation who support people having guns for self defense and sport but also support reasonable laws controlling firearms. They are indeed honest and decent people.

    Ronald Reagan summed such folks up perfectly.


    “I do not believe in taking away the right of the citizen for sporting, for hunting and so forth, or for home defense. But I do believe that an AK-47, a machine gun, is not a sporting weapon or needed for defense of a home.”

    ~Ronald Reagan, at his birthday celebration in 1989.
    Is that the content you are talking about?
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What specific content of your post? Are you talking about this from 479?



    which you appeared to be replying to my post that reprodced to it as a lead in .... as follows


    Is that the content you are talking about?
    Yes. Now, care to explain why my response was invalid?
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Yes. Now, care to explain why my response was invalid?
    Sure thing. I will be happy to clear that up.

    Here was my post


    Originally Posted by haymarket
    Both apply. There is a ton of honest and decent people in this nation who support people having guns for self defense and sport but also support reasonable laws controlling firearms. They are indeed honest and decent people.

    Ronald Reagan summed such folks up perfectly.


    “I do not believe in taking away the right of the citizen for sporting, for hunting and so forth, or for home defense. But I do believe that an AK-47, a machine gun, is not a sporting weapon or needed for defense of a home.”

    ~Ronald Reagan, at his birthday celebration in 1989.

    and your response which followed

    Men dont need muscle cars either. People dont 'need' 4-wheelers, they can get around perfectly find with a 4WD SUV.

    Who needs a $6000 Fendi bag? Did I miss where anyone needs personal 4 or 6 seater airplanes?

    In America, it's called 'free will' and 'personal liberty.' (And before you try it, lots of these things, named and unnamed, can kill if used improperly).
    I have no idea what your first four sentences and then the conclusion you made about them has to do with my post as you keep talklng about NEED and I said nothing about NEED. The content of your post is completely disconnected from the content of my post which you produced as the lead in to yours. I see no connection at all.
    Last edited by haymarket; 10-11-14 at 02:50 PM.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Sure thing. I will be happy to clear that up.

    Here was my post




    and your response which followed



    I have no idea what your first four sentences and then the conclusion you made about them has to do with my post as you keep talklng about NEED and I said nothing about NEED. The content of your post is completely disconnected from the content of my post which you produced as the lead in to yours. I see no connection at all.
    That's the trouble with the gun crowd: when they get backed into a corner through their own illogic, they resort to nonsense as though it's a valid argument. It's just another trick and a glaring examolke of defeat.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by mdw99 View Post
    I am from Scotland and doing a modern studies assignment at school on the second amendment of the US constitution and would like to gather views from US citizens.
    Could you tell me if you think the second amendment needs to be changed or not and give reasons why.
    Many thanks
    It does not need to be changed, as the guys who wrote it were very much in command of the English language, and were quite explicit--the right of the citizen to be armed shall not be infringed.

    And really, who gets to say just who shall be armed and who shall not? Do we get to vote on that?

    So I think it needs to stay right where it is--the armed citizen.

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    That's the trouble with the gun crowd: when they get backed into a corner through their own illogic, they resort to nonsense as though it's a valid argument. It's just another trick and a glaring examolke of defeat.
    Perhaps it was a legitimate misunderstanding? I have tried to clear up my end of it with my post. Sometimes we have things in our minds which do not quite get to our fingers when typing out on the keyboard. Maybe this was one of those times for both ends of the discussion.

    But it should be clear now.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post


    I have no idea what your first four sentences and then the conclusion you made about them has to do with my post as you keep talklng about NEED and I said nothing about NEED. The content of your post is completely disconnected from the content of my post which you produced as the lead in to yours. I see no connection at all.
    You posted a quote that said people dont need ARs. Did I imagine that? And it was about something covered in the 2A...a Constitutional Right.

    I posted a bunch of things that people dont need, yet are allowed to have (and arent even covered by a Constitutional Right) yet can be dangerous or 'not necessary,' yet in America, personal liberty and free will are paramount and not just restricted because 'we dont need them.'

    RR's quote said the same...and while it may be true people dont 'need' ARs (and some here would contest that) that has absolutely no bearing on if they 'want' them or not and should be able to own them.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    You posted a quote that said people dont need ARs. Did I imagine that?
    I do not remember that. Could you please post it so I can examine it and give you a proper response?

    But I made it very clear to you that you were replying to my post that you reproduced in 479 and I said NOTHING about NEED in that post you replied to. If you want to take issue with Reagan - go ahead and do it. His views are his views and I suspect lots and lots and lots of the American people echo that statement. They support hunting and guns for self and home and business defense but the draw the line at some weapons that they simply do not want as part of our society.

    Society does this all the time as you are aware with such things as zoning laws and laws covering products and what they can do and what they cannot do. This is nothing new or radical.

    You may feel you NEED to put three more stories on your house but the zoning laws prohibit it. You can talk all you want about FREEDOM and LIBERTY and CHOICE and FREE WILL but your need does not trump the laws of your community made by the duly elected representatives of your community.
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