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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Never said any of that. What I said was that our society is divided into two camps of responsibility and that the right-wing camp is what will eventually cause the 2nd Amendment to be tampered with. I believe that very strongly. For instance, the right-wing is fixated on the notion that only a real American believes in no gun control. That's witch hunt mentality and the public at large has never done well with that.
    I'm a liberal and know plenty of 'liberals' or Democrats that are strong supporters of the 2A and less restriction. Certainly no more.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

    Yes, take out the underlined part, it will make it more clear.
    I don't see how the underlined clause makes less clear the stated right, unless of course someone is intentionally trying to force an unreasonable meaning upon that clear statement. I would go as far as to say that the underlined clause clarifies the intent and strengthens the 2nd amendment's claim.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    I don't see how the underlined clause makes less clear the stated right, unless of course someone is intentionally trying to force an unreasonable meaning upon that clear statement. I would go as far as to say that the underlined clause clarifies the intent and strengthens the 2nd amendment's claim.
    Not really. Because for one, we haven't the mandate in place of the underlined clause, and for two, it appears that the only right of citizens to have and bear arms is as militia members. If you removed that clause as Bigfoot suggests, then it would simply be a guarantee.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Not really. Because for one, we haven't the mandate in place of the underlined clause, and for two, it appears that the only right of citizens to have and bear arms is as militia members. If you removed that clause as Bigfoot suggests, then it would simply be a guarantee.
    That's not how that should be....and is...interpreted. All citizens were supposed to be capable of being the militia...'irregulars.' The 'regulars' are the army, etc. And related to that, 'well-regulated' meant 'trained.' That was the language of the time. So all citizens have the right to own and have the opportunity to train with arms.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Not really. Because for one, we haven't the mandate in place of the underlined clause, and for two, it appears that the only right of citizens to have and bear arms is as militia members. If you removed that clause as Bigfoot suggests, then it would simply be a guarantee.
    The explanatory clause, in my mind, neither adds nor subtracts from the right that is expressed (not granted), however it (the explanatory clause) gives usefulness and reason to why it is mentioned. There are many so called rights not mentioned, because they are not vital to the very foundation and survival of a republic. This one is.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    What part of the 10th Amendment do you not understand?
    What part of states regulate guns within borders so this is a state issue do you not understand?

    States have ultimate authority, if not theoretically, then literally.

    Citizens of the state should vote on what gun laws they find appropriate for their state. Power to the people to determine what they believe is natural to them.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    That's not how that should be....and is...interpreted. All citizens were supposed to be capable of being the militia...'irregulars.' The 'regulars' are the army, etc. And related to that, 'well-regulated' meant 'trained.' That was the language of the time. So all citizens have the right to own and have the opportunity to train with arms.
    Wrong, all citizens are not supposed to be in the militia, only males of a certain age group.

    Btw, I wasn't saying that that is a correct interpretation, or should be, but many argue it that way, so, with the clause edited as Bigfoot suggests, the individual mandate would be undeniable.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    What part of states regulate guns within borders so this is a state issue do you not understand?

    States have ultimate authority, if not theoretically, then literally.

    Citizens of the state should vote on what gun laws they find appropriate for their state. Power to the people to determine what they believe is natural to them.
    The Constitution disagrees with you, and you with it. Which is what I said in the first place. Geez Louise.

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