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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    all that shows is that there are four dishonest liberals on the court

    Stevens dissent will go down as one of the most pathetic in recent memory .
    It shows that those four people

    1 - can read the entire Amendment
    2- can understand 220 years of American history
    3 - and are not sycophants and toadies of the gun lobby and the extreme right wing.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Heller was one decision in very recent years which was decided by a single vote on a Court ruled by ideology. That does not make it consistent with the Constitution and you know darn well it does not.
    Heller gives the entire heraldry behind itself.

    You need to just accept Heller as the law of the land and move forward.

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    nope, but they sort of got it right

    totally right would have been striking down all federal gun control laws on 10th amendment grounds
    I guess it shows you that even right wingers on the Court will not place themselves as far out on that right wing limb as you seem willing to do with your sacred 10th Amendment.

    That should tell you something.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Heller gives the entire heraldry behind itself.

    You need to just accept Heller as the law of the land and move forward.


    No - what is needed is making sure it is overturned ASAP when Scalia is no longer there. Which will happen because Heller was such a radical departure from 220 years of American jurisprudence.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It shows that those four people

    1 - can read the entire Amendment
    2- can understand 220 years of American history
    3 - and are not sycophants and toadies of the gun lobby and the extreme right wing.
    anyone who claims that the 2A DID NOT recognize an individual right, should not be on the Supreme Court. are you claiming that the founders were merely recognizing a "preexisting right of congress to create a militia"


    the anti gun misinterpretations of the 2A are so pathetic because they fly in the face of the obvious environment that existed at the time

    then again, when someone claims that "shall not be infringed "was intended to allow "infringements" we sort of figure that other posts are going to make equally unsupportable arguments



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    No - what is needed is making sure it is overturned ASAP when Scalia is no longer there. Which will happen because Heller was such a radical departure from 220 years of American jurisprudence.
    so what supreme court holding did Heller overturn?



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    No - what is needed is making sure it is overturned ASAP when Scalia is no longer there. Which will happen because Heller was such a radical departure from 220 years of American jurisprudence.
    Sure, overturn Heller with the same act that abolishes all federal gun control of every kind; no more NICS; no more ATF.

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I guess it shows you that even right wingers on the Court will not place themselves as far out on that right wing limb as you seem willing to do with your sacred 10th Amendment.

    That should tell you something.
    it should tell you that your rants about those 5 Justices are without merit.

    but anyone who believes the the Commerce Clause actually was intended by the founders or can HONESTLY be read to grant all the powers FDR claimed it did is completely out to lunch

    note that the anti gun justices dance around the tenth amendment issue-none of them want to try to justify the fiction FDR engaged in



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    it should tell you that your rants about those 5 Justices are without merit.

    but anyone who believes the the Commerce Clause actually was intended by the founders or can HONESTLY be read to grant all the powers FDR claimed it did is completely out to lunch

    note that the anti gun justices dance around the tenth amendment issue-none of them want to try to justify the fiction FDR engaged in
    You attacking FDR at every opportunity is a hollow substitute for verifiable evidence supporting your claims - none of which you have ever provided.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Sure, overturn Heller with the same act that abolishes all federal gun control of every kind; no more NICS; no more ATF.
    The Heller decision probably guaranteed the empty suit's election. If the SC had ruled as the Dems want, gun bans would have been a main issue in 2008 and that would have hurt Obola



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