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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    No, we have arms to kill people who would take away our rights by force

    though if a war happens, I see collaborators and toadies of those in power as being seen as combatants as well
    Interesting..... you would target people for murder by you because of something they WOULD DO - at least in your own mind - rather that for what they DID DO.

    What kind of world do you live in where we give people the death penalty because we suspect that they might do something? Whatever the answer is is IS NOT the USA that the rest of us live in.

    And thank you for admitting that those you see as your political enemies would also fall under your bloody swath.

    You confirm everything I said about the very reason you want bigger and more powerful weapons.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    It never did happen. The Second Amendment has had a prefatory clause and an operant clause right from the time it was ratified in 1791.
    Please provide verifiable of this claim that the Amendment was so divided and recognized as those two distinct parts before Heller and the right wing drum beating that set it up.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Nice dodge to try and hide from your charge that Reagan was senile. Its not working.
    I haven't been following that duscussion. What does Reagon have to do with this? Are you talking about how he infringed on the 2A by banning open carry as a governor, and later by signing the Gun Control Act while the Houghs Amentment was atached?

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that's a riot given you claim that "shall not be infringed" actually was intended to allow "infringements"
    Nope - I have never made that claim and I have corrected you at least fifty times when you utter that falsehood.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Interesting..... you would target people for murder by you because of something they WOULD DO - at least in your own mind - rather that for what they DID DO.

    What kind of world do you live in where we give people the death penalty because we suspect that they might do something? Whatever the answer is is IS NOT the USA that the rest of us live in.

    And thank you for admitting that those you see as your political enemies would also fall under your bloody swath.

    You confirm everything I said about the very reason you want bigger and more powerful weapons.
    this is getting hysterical Haymarket

    why do you want criminals to have better weapons than lawful civilians?

    we know why you want minions of the government to be better armed than civilians=your posts suggest you worship government and can never ever imagine a situation where government is wrong.

    but why do you want criminals to be better armed than your neighbors?



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Nope - I have never made that claim and I have corrected you at least fifty times when you utter that falsehood.
    Nonsense. you claimed the founders used a term that allowed infringements



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Jerry is correct. the 2A was about individual arms. Not man o' war or bombs or cannon. Stuff individuals would normally keep and bear.
    Jerry may believe as you believe. That DOES NOT make him correct and he is wrong.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Jerry may believe as you believe. That DOES NOT make him correct and he is wrong.
    Your claim that he is wrong is pretty strong evidence that he is right. I have yet to see a post of yours that is correct as to the 2A



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post

    Here is the line:

    In order to be a protected, a weapon must be both 1."in common use at the time", and may not be 2. "dangerous and unusual". If a given weapon fails one or both of these qualifications, it is not protected for civilian ownership.
    So, let's go down the list:
    • Non-lethal weapons (ie; paint-ball guns, tazers): In common use at the time? Yes. Is dangerous and unusual? No.
    • Ranged weapons (ie; bow, crossbow, sling-shot): In common use at the time? Yes. Is dangerous and unusual? No.
    • Melee weapons (knives, axes, saps, baton): In common use at the time? Yes. Is dangerous and unusual? No.
    • Pistol: In common use at the time? Yes. Is dangerous and unusual? No.
    • Rifle/shotgun: In common use at the time? Yes. Is dangerous and unusual? No.
    • Assault-rifle: In common use at the time? Yes. Is dangerous and unusual? No.
    • Machine-gun: In common use at the time? Yes. Is dangerous and unusual? No.
    • Hand grenade: In common use at the time? Yes. Is dangerous and unusual? Yes.
    • Grenade launcher: In common use at the time? Yes. Is dangerous and unusual? Yes.
    • Rocket launcher: In common use at the time? Yes. Is dangerous and unusual? Yes.
    • Patriot missile battery: In common use at the time? No. Is dangerous and unusual? Yes.
    • Nuclear/radiological weapons: In common use at the time? No. Is dangerous and unusual? Yes.
    • Lethal Biological/Chemical weapons: In common use at the time? No. Is dangerous and unusual? Yes
    • Non-Lethal Chemical weapons (ie; tear-gas, pepper-spray): In common use at the time? Yes. Is dangerous and unusual? No
    • Crack Cocaine: In common use at the time: No. Is dangerous and unusual: Yes.
    • Methamphetamine: In common use at the time: No. Is dangerous and unusual: Yes.
    • Meth-lab: In common use at the time: No. Is dangerous and unusual: Yes.
    • ICBMs: In common use at the time? No. Is dangerous and unusual? Yes.

    Accessories are not 'arms' but if we are to judge accessories by the same rule, then...
    • Detachable Magazine: In common use at the time? Yes. Is dangerous and unusual? No.
    • 30rnd Magazine: In common use at the time? Yes. Is dangerous and unusual? No.
    • 60/100rnd Magazine: In common use at the time? No. Is dangerous and unusual? No.
    • 100/200rnd linked (belt-fed) ammo: In common use at the time? Yes. Is dangerous and unusual? No.
    • Pistol Grip: In common use at the time? Yes. Is dangerous and unusual? No.
    • Forward Grip: In common use at the time? Yes. Is dangerous and unusual? No.
    • Telescopic/folding but-stock: In common use at the time? Yes. Is dangerous and unusual? No
    • Rifle Barrel under 18in: In common use at the time? No. Is dangerous and unusual? No.
    • Flash Suppressor: In common use at the time? Yes. Is dangerous and unusual? No.
    • Sound Suppressor: In common use at the time? Yes. Is dangerous and unusual? No.


    Tanks are not weapons. Tanks are vehicles weapons can be mounted on, and anyone with enough money to buy one can own a tank. That does not mean you can have a functioning cannon, 50cal machine gun, 2 saw machine guns, or grenades...it means you can have the tank and the tank only. You can own a black hawk helicopter, also...doesn't mean you can have the twin mini-guns.
    The Second Amendment says NONE of that.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Jerry may believe as you believe. That DOES NOT make him correct and he is wrong.
    All one has to do is read Heller to know the defining standard and apply that standard to examples as I've don.

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