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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    WoW!!!! How quick the worm turns. Once upon a time the far right idolized Reagan and considered him as a bosom buddy. Now he was a senile old man who does not matter. Amazing!!!!!!!
    and that is different than far lefties who bashed everything he did in office?

    where did I ever praise Reagan though making Scalia a Justice was a good move

    tell us Haymarket, why does Reagan's out of office psychobabble matter at all?



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So you can kill them over a dispute about public policy.
    No, we have arms to kill people who would take away our rights by force

    though if a war happens, I see collaborators and toadies of those in power as being seen as combatants as well



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Yes it does. The prefatory clause. The 2A specifically regards militia weapons.
    Interesting . For 220 years all we had was a Second Amendment. Now we seem to have an Amendment with a fancy PREFATORY clause which does not mean as much as the substance which normally clings to toilet tissue and an OPERANT clause which apparently is the be all and end all of the Amendment.

    And when did this sudden transformation happen?
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Please stop yelling.
    Your computer has a voice level on it for the posts??????? WOW that is advanced!!!!!!!!
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Interesting . For 220 years all we had was a Second Amendment. Now we seem to have an Amendment with a fancy PREFATORY clause which does not mean as much as the substance which normally clings to toilet tissue and an OPERANT clause which apparently is the be all and end all of the Amendment.


    And when did this sudden transformation happen?
    Don't get mad at me just because you don't know what you're talking about.

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Oh putting words in quotes to change their meaning now? Nice. Dishonest of you, but nice.

    "A well regulated militia...", that means were talking about militia arms, not naval arms, not air-force arms, but a militia, which is infantry and to a lesser degree field artillery.
    I put the words in quotes to highlight them. Quotation marks don't change the meaning of words. In fact, it is you finding the words "militia arms", where they do not exist.

    If the founders meant, "militia arms", why didn't they say, "militia arms"? Why did they specifically say, "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed"? Why didn't they say, "the right of the militia"?

    English not your strong suit, eh? That's cool, I'm sure you're good at other stuff. Not history though.

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Interesting . For 220 years all we had was a Second Amendment. Now we seem to have an Amendment with a fancy PREFATORY clause which does not mean as much as the substance which normally clings to toilet tissue and an OPERANT clause which apparently is the be all and end all of the Amendment.

    And when did this sudden transformation happen?
    It never did happen. The Second Amendment has had a prefatory clause and an operant clause right from the time it was ratified in 1791. But the Supreme Court had never clearly construed those clauses until several years ago in Heller. I think Justice Scalia's precisely reasoned and thoroughly supported analysis of the meaning of those clauses in Heller is a thing of beauty. He hit the nail right on the head. Fuzzy-headed "liberals," who in fact are anything but liberal, no doubt despise Scalia partly because they are jealous of how clearly he thinks.

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    apparently "THAT MEANS" as used by you actually means ANYTHING YOU WANT IT TO MEAN even though the Amendment does not say so.
    that's a riot given you claim that "shall not be infringed" actually was intended to allow "infringements"

    or that the militia clause was actually a grant of power to the federal government to tell people who are not in the militia what sort of arms they could own?



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    I put the words in quotes to highlight them. Quotation marks don't change the meaning of words. In fact, it is you finding the words "militia arms", where they do not exist.

    If the founders meant, "militia arms", why didn't they say, "militia arms"? Why did they specifically say, "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed"? Why didn't they say, "the right of the militia"?

    English not your strong suit, eh? That's cool, I'm sure you're good at other stuff. Not history though.

    Jerry is correct. the 2A was about individual arms. Not man o' war or bombs or cannon. Stuff individuals would normally keep and bear.



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Jerry is correct. the 2A was about individual arms. Not man o' war or bombs or cannon. Stuff individuals would normally keep and bear.
    Perhaps I misunderstood his point. I thought he meant arms were only for militia.

    Sorry Jerry, if I misunderstood. Mea culpa.

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