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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
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    Forget it.
    So does getting a job. You want to forget that too?
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by mdw99 View Post
    I am from Scotland and doing a modern studies assignment at school on the second amendment of the US constitution and would like to gather views from US citizens.
    Could you tell me if you think the second amendment needs to be changed or not and give reasons why.
    Many thanks
    One thing that needs to be understood right from the beginning is that the right to arms is not granted, given, created or otherwise established by the 2nd Amendment so you need to ask yourself just what do you think would be accomplished by altering the words of the Amendment? SCOTUS has been boringly consistent for going on 140 years re-affirming this principle, that the right to arms is not in any manner dependent on the words of the Constitution for its existence.

    So, in my opinion, you might as well be asking if Newton's Law should be amended, you know because so many people are injured and killed from falls . . .
    I already have a license to own a gun; it's called a birth certificate.

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    So does getting a job. You want to forget that too?
    You have no right to a job. You don't have to work where a background check is required.

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Even if at best you think that it needs clarification rather than endorsement of further gun control measures, I wouldn't have nearly enough confidence that any modern amendment would be able to substantively eliminate confusion for the current or future generations.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    The high capacity magazine argument, like all anti-gun arguments, will do absolutely nothing to keep them out of the hands of criminals. Why does the modern liberal mind have such a difficult time understanding such a simple concept?
    Your talking about right now. I was talking about the future.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    What makes you think that only conservatives appreciate the bill of rights, or that only liberals are in favor of a safe and secure society?
    Never said any of that. What I said was that our society is divided into two camps of responsibility and that the right-wing camp is what will eventually cause the 2nd Amendment to be tampered with. I believe that very strongly. For instance, the right-wing is fixated on the notion that only a real American believes in no gun control. That's witch hunt mentality and the public at large has never done well with that.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I think that it will be amended, in time. Maybe two generations from now. I think that it will be amended because the amount of and technology of modern arms has created a situation in the US wherein mass shootings are almost too easy to pull off.
    So you celebrate and endorse the profound ignorance of the US population for foundational constitutional principles?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Moreover, the divide that now exists between the conservative 2nd Amendment political movement and most of the US who are for a safer and more secure society is being pushed to it's brink.
    I'm sure that some have this altruistic "safer society" intention but the reality is, gun control is always a political tool used to achieve and maintain political control (ensuring the security of the government, not the free state). Those who advocate European style gun control because of gun crime are just useful idiots employed by those who wish to reverse engineer European style political control over US citizens (the rejection of which was the point of the Constitution)

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I don't have concerns about pistols and rifles, but as I said, it's the high capacity magazines and the devil-may-care attitude about their use in assault weapons that will eventually tip the balance. As I say, it's the political 2nd Amendment will eventually sacrifice the amendment itself.
    Well, at least you admit the political aspect of the debate . . . If what you say comes to fruition, it won't be the "political 2nd Amendment" that causes the usurpation of the right to arms; it will be the citizens abdicating their duty to hold the government to the constraints placed on it by them, though the Constitution.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Your talking about right now. I was talking about the future.
    What, will criminals be less criminally in the future?

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    It should not, but states have their own interpretation of the constitution.

    It is a state issue.

    For example, some states interpret half the constitution and state that "people have the right to bear arms" but cannot necessarily make a militia.

    It is a state issue, if this wasn't up for debate then states wouldn't be passing gun laws right?

    The ture debate isn't whether or not we should amend the 2nd amendment, it's whether or not the federal government should provide a universal translation of the 2nd amendment that all staes must adhere to.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    So does getting a job. You want to forget that too?
    Employers are required by law to keep those things secure. It would be impossible to control if just anyone had your SSN.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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