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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

    Yes, take out the underlined part, it will make it more clear.
    that would make it more clear but by no means would it make it clear. Arms is a vague term and we have essentially limited it to small firearms, we have restricted who can buy them, where they can be used. Without defining arms and what constitutes infringement it will be just as messy as it is now. This is the problem with the "read the constitution" arguments arms can mean small arms as we have defined it or it could be defined most weapons up to and including nuclear weapons and there are cogent arguments to be made for both sides.

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by GBFAN View Post
    Are you f$$King serious? You can't look it up yourself? Give me a break ...

    It's really easy ... go to Google .. type Merriam-Webster ... go to the first link ... type in the word i-n-f-r-i-n-g-e-d .... read it for yourself.
    Yes - I am 100% completely serious. Do you have a link for that definition you supplied? Where did you get it from?
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You and your loaded questions.


    My carrying a gun doesn't victimize you, I don't assume I have the right I know I have the right, and we aren't talking about private property.

    So please, take your bull**** elsewhere.
    Your inability to answer a simple question exposes the intellectual vapidness of your statement.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Are you serious? Various gun bans have happened around the country as well as the federal level.
    Yes, I am 100% serious. I am asking for specifics.

    Again, are you able to cite examples where the government created an environment where the people were not able to keep and bear arms.

    I stated that the DC handgun law was such an example but one could easily argue that I am wrong since it still allowed for long guns to fulfill that right. So what are your other examples from reality here in the USA?
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I'm sorry you disagree, I guess we know where that places you, then.
    Where would that be?
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    nukes are not arms within the meaning of the 2A, and such weapons have clear interstate and international ramifications
    Actually nuclear weapons are indeed arms and Pirate corrected you on this with lots of evidence when this came up before.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Yes, I am 100% serious. I am asking for specifics.

    Again, are you able to cite examples where the government created an environment where the people were not able to keep and bear arms.

    I stated that the DC handgun law was such an example but one could easily argue that I am wrong since it still allowed for long guns to fulfill that right. So what are your other examples from reality here in the USA?
    The Constitution makes no mention of "creating an environment".it quite simply states, "...shall not be infringed" period. End of story.

    You really would have much more credibility if you simply said you disagree with the 2A, and wish to abolish it. Instead of performing all manner of mental gymnastics, in a lame attempt to contort the 2A to your leftist ideology. But I guess asking a lib not to be tyrannical, is like asking a leopard to change it's spots.

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually nuclear weapons are indeed arms and Pirate corrected you on this with lots of evidence when this came up before.
    Yes, he claimed that but no constitutional scholar supports that and Goshin also explained why using Nukes is a silly argument. The second amendment dealt with individual arms capable of being borne by individuals. SO grasping for support is perhaps to be expected but its without merit



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Your inability to answer a simple question exposes the intellectual vapidness of your statement.



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Both apply. There is a ton of honest and decent people in this nation who support people having guns for self defense and sport but also support reasonable laws controlling firearms. They are indeed honest and decent people.

    Ronald Reagan summed such folks up perfectly.


    I do not believe in taking away the right of the citizen for sporting, for hunting and so forth, or for home defense. But I do believe that an AK-47, a machine gun, is not a sporting weapon or needed for defense of a home.

    ~Ronald Reagan, at his birthday celebration in 1989.
    Reagan was senile by then and his stupidity means nothing to me. He also has no credibility at that time as to what was needed for "home defense" because the 2A is not limited to "home defense"

    there is no reasonable argument for banning legal machine guns given there is no evidence they are more likely to be used criminally than for lawful purposes



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