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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Its akin to claiming "thou shall not steal" was not a prohibition on "Stealing"
    On the other hand, does "shall not be infringed" mean you get to privately purchase nuclear warheads with no background check?
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    It's not hyperbole to point out the truth.
    WOW! The truth???? What a unique concept!!! I don't think that's been tried here!!!

    Nice move! And, so unexpected!
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    I remember a story I read in the Bangkok (Thailand) Post that seems appropriate. It was called The Cloak of Stupidity:

    "This is the sorry state of Thai society, where the current political conflict has buried otherwise good, intelligent and generous people in the pit of great stupidity. The term "great stupidity" here is...

    Here is where a man (or a woman) can't make a political statement without being abused or terrorised by others. Here is where we love someone or something so much that person or thing is infallible, and anyone who dare criticize is met with such anger and hatred that a horde of marauding Vikings would quiver in fear and cower in their ships."


    Lose the cloak of great stupidity | Bangkok Post: opinion.

    Seems that, just like Ebola, this has reached our shores and penetrated our porous borders.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are partially correct but I maintain again WE ALL KNOW. people who are objectively honest admit that too. Most anti gun activists damn well know that the 2A prevents federal gun control but that is why those advocates spend so much time pretending the 2A does not say what it obviously does
    So if WE ALL KNOW why then can truly decent people not agree?
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so you no longer claim that "shall not be infringed" does not prevent infringements

    do you no longer claim that the founders actually intended "infringements" to be a proper function of the federal government was you once did?
    I cannot even find one Founder who even used the word INFRINGEMENTS. Can you?
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by GBFAN View Post
    That's a really interesting perversion of the English language you got going on there ... the amendment says the action (infringing) shall not occur, whereas 'infringement' is a quantization of the acts of infringing ... and you propose this doesn't apply to the discussion?
    It is simple reality. Nothing more and nothing less. When modernists use the term INFRINGEMENTS they mean any incremental step in regulation or control. That is NOT what the word INFRINGED means.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    What was it intended to prevent?
    the government creating an environment where the right could not be exercised. If that happens - then the right has been INFRINGED.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So if WE ALL KNOW why then can truly decent people not agree?
    The truly decent people agree.

    Disagreeing is a sign of a...less than decent person.

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I cannot even find one Founder who even used the word INFRINGEMENTS. Can you?
    Again, what is your point?

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    the government creating an environment where the right could not be exercised. If that happens - then the right has been INFRINGED.
    Which has already happened many times.

    The amendment says nothing about "creating an environment". Why would you define it that way?

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