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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Wrong. I can twist pretty much anything into a dirty minded sex joke if I wanted, including what you said here. Doesn't mean that what you said here isn't clear. (and no, i'm not going to demonstrate, wrong thread for such) If I can twist such for fun, people can certainly purposely twist anything that they want in order to push an agenda.
    You may continue to kid yourself all you want, but we're not talking jokes and such. We're talking legal standards and decisions, stuff that is taken seriously. If people... and courts... disagree to the point that they do, the writing is unclear. Get over it.
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    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Why would we want to reduce access to "legal" anything. Btw, do you think that the police and military should have guns?
    Pretend plutonium was legal to own outside of specific scientific uses. Why would you want to reduce access to "legal" plutonium?
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    You may continue to kid yourself all you want, but we're not talking jokes and such. We're talking legal standards and decisions, stuff that is taken seriously. If people... and courts... disagree to the point that they do, the writing is unclear. Get over it.
    Just because its serious stuff doesn't mean that people won't twist. And being a judge does not make one immune to twisting. Look what happened with the Obamacare Mandate. They passed it on the grounds that it was a "tax" when its not. It's a fine. In particular a fine for not buying a product from a private business. That was done through twisting, by judges.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The bolded! Sometimes yes, and sometimes, they're used to prevent crimes. There is no end in sight to a list one could compile of things, inanimate objects that have both good and evil uses. Should they all be restricted or banned.
    Handguns are tools for violence and threats of violence against other humans.

    Amended for you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    IOW, you wouldn't just support amending the 2nd amendment, but expunging it from the Bill of Rights?
    Depends on which reading we're using. I'd reduce the individual's right to access weapons, yes.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Pretend plutonium was legal to own outside of specific scientific uses. Why would you want to reduce access to "legal" plutonium?
    Well if you want to play pretend...............
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Handguns are tools for violence and threats of violence against other humans.

    Amended for you.

    Depends on which reading we're using. I'd reduce the individual's right to access weapons, yes.
    "Reduce"???? Care to elaborate on that? And what do you mean, "which reading"? Is there more then one version of the second amendment?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well if you want to play pretend...............
    It's an analogy. It's how you compare things.
    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    "Reduce"???? Care to elaborate on that? And what do you mean, "which reading"? Is there more then one version of the second amendment?
    Yes. The NRA isn't the only body that can interpret law.

    "The Second Amendment provides: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
    ACLU POSITION
    Given the reference to "a well regulated Militia" and "the security of a free State," the ACLU has long taken the position that the Second Amendment protects a collective right rather than an individual right. For seven decades, the Supreme Court's 1939 decision in*"United States v. Miller"*was widely understood to have endorsed that view. This position is currently under review and is being updated by the ACLU National Board in light of the U.S. Supreme Court decision in D.C. v. Heller in 2008.In striking down Washington D.C.'s handgun ban by a 5-4 vote, the Supreme Court's decision in*"D.C. v. Heller"*held for the first time that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to keep and bear arms, whether or not associated with a state militia. The ACLU disagrees with the Supreme Court's conclusion about the nature of the right protected by the Second Amendment. However, particular federal or state laws on licensing, registration, prohibition, or other regulation of the manufacture, shipment, sale, purchase or possession of guns may raise civil liberties questions."

    https://www.aclu.org/racial-justice_...cond-amendment
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by mdw99 View Post
    I am from Scotland and doing a modern studies assignment at school on the second amendment of the US constitution and would like to gather views from US citizens.
    Could you tell me if you think the second amendment needs to be changed or not and give reasons why.
    Many thanks
    If the 2nd were to be changed, I would change it to "Congress shall make no law respecting the right of the People to keep and bear arms." This closely reflects the 1st Amendment and my intent would be to have the gun in your pocket as accessible and protected as the cell phone in your other pocket.

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    It's an analogy. It's how you compare things.


    Yes. The NRA isn't the only body that can interpret law.

    "The Second Amendment provides: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
    ACLU POSITION
    Given the reference to "a well regulated Militia" and "the security of a free State," the ACLU has long taken the position that the Second Amendment protects a collective right rather than an individual right. For seven decades, the Supreme Court's 1939 decision in*"United States v. Miller"*was widely understood to have endorsed that view. This position is currently under review and is being updated by the ACLU National Board in light of the U.S. Supreme Court decision in D.C. v. Heller in 2008.In striking down Washington D.C.'s handgun ban by a 5-4 vote, the Supreme Court's decision in*"D.C. v. Heller"*held for the first time that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to keep and bear arms, whether or not associated with a state militia. The ACLU disagrees with the Supreme Court's conclusion about the nature of the right protected by the Second Amendment. However, particular federal or state laws on licensing, registration, prohibition, or other regulation of the manufacture, shipment, sale, purchase or possession of guns may raise civil liberties questions."

    https://www.aclu.org/racial-justice_...cond-amendment
    Well I agree with you that the collective right is a strong argument. But the individual right is equally strong and therefore IMO, both should be advanced.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Yes. The NRA isn't the only body that can interpret law.

    "The Second Amendment provides: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
    ACLU POSITION

    . . . In striking down Washington D.C.'s handgun ban by a 5-4 vote, the Supreme Court's decision in*"D.C. v. Heller"*held for the first time that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to keep and bear arms, whether or not associated with a state militia.
    Except for where the Court recognized the individual right to bear arms for individual self defense from the KKK by two former slaves, then US citizens in 1873 Louisiana, a state that at the time had no organized militia, it being disbanded by Congress . . .

    But hey, who's really reading the opinion of the Court?
    I already have a license to own a gun; it's called a birth certificate.

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