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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I'd be happy to have Germany or Japan's homicide rates, even if I don't want to adopt every aspect of their culture and society.

    The fact that we don't believe we're capable of achieving things that nations with less resources are achieving bothers me.

    How exactly do you intend to accurately determine the number of illegal gun owners?
    well most of the murders committed in the USA (at least 80%) with handguns or other firearms are committed by people who cannot legally own guns ANY place in the USA and when you add places like Chicago and DC on top of that, the number is even higher



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    There is nothing to interpret, it is as plain as day. The left only puts on a charade of "interpretation" to advance their tyrannical ideology.

    If you don't like the 2A, why not change it Constitutionally? Why does the left always run to an activist court to get their way? Even when you lose at the ballot box.
    Do stop with the hyperbole, it damages your pro second amendment position. For tyranny, see The Patriot Act or the NDAA.

    Democrats for Gun Ownership is the only national association that provides support for those Democrats in favor of gun ownership and the defense of the Second Amendment.
    Through campaign support, education, and advocacy DFGO works with Democrats at every level of our party in Congress to protect our rights and maintain a strong lobby base whose voices are clearly heard.

    DfGO is a solid presence in Washington, D.C. supporting the rights of every American to arm him or herself with knowledge about responsible and safe firearms ownership. Send us an email with the name of your Congressperson and we'll drop by and say hello on your behalf. Help us make our Congress member aware that we're as engaged in policy matters as they should be.


    The Senate gun control compromise failed, but that hasn’t stopped individual states from pursuing their own solutions. Connecticut, Colorado, New York and Maryland have passed new gun control laws, and joining them soon is New Jersey, where Governor Chris Christie has announced his support for a proposal to expand background checks for gun purchases, to require parental consent for minors to buy violent video games, to ban purchases of particular rifles, and to make it easier for courts and individuals to commit “potentially dangerous” people to mental health treatment against their will.

    IOW, this shouldn't necessarily be framed in partisan terms.
    Last edited by Montecresto; 10-09-14 at 10:31 AM.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Do stop with the hyperbole, it damages your pro second amendment position. For tyranny, see The Patriot Act or the NDAA.

    Democrats for Gun Ownership is the only national association that provides support for those Democrats in favor of gun ownership and the defense of the Second Amendment.
    Through campaign support, education, and advocacy DFGO works with Democrats at every level of our party in Congress to protect our rights and maintain a strong lobby base whose voices are clearly heard.

    DfGO is a solid presence in Washington, D.C. supporting the rights of every American to arm him or herself with knowledge about responsible and safe firearms ownership. Send us an email with the name of your Congressperson and we'll drop by and say hello on your behalf. Help us make our Congress member aware that we're as engaged in policy matters as they should be.


    The Senate gun control compromise failed, but that hasn’t stopped individual states from pursuing their own solutions. Connecticut, Colorado, New York and Maryland have passed new gun control laws, and joining them soon is New Jersey, where Governor Chris Christie has announced his support for a proposal to expand background checks for gun purchases, to require parental consent for minors to buy violent video games, to ban purchases of particular rifles, and to make it easier for courts and individuals to commit “potentially dangerous” people to mental health treatment against their will.

    IOW, this shouldn't necessarily be framed in partisan terms.
    I admit, I have never heard of this group and I have been involved, intensely, in the opposition to gun banners for almost 40 years. I also note that a few years ago, a group known as the American Hunters and Shooters Association, was founded by democrat activists and pretended to be pro gun, when in reality it was another gun banning front run by people who had worked for the Brady thugs.

    But I will review this group. I do note that Former Ohio Governor Ted Strickland-as a freshman congressman in 1994, voted against the clinton gun ban while the man who later beat him in his re-election bid for governor-John Kasich, Caved in to Clinton and reversed his vote against the gun ban, allowing it to pass. and for years, John Dingell (D-Mich) was one of the strongest pro rights congressman in the country. But I also note that its the DNC that pushes every major attack on our 2A rights



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    well most of the murders committed in the USA (at least 80%) with handguns or other firearms are committed by people who cannot legally own guns ANY place in the USA and when you add places like Chicago and DC on top of that, the number is even higher
    Illegally possessed handguns are guns that were once legally possessed. Reducing access to legal guns reduces access to illegal guns.

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    There is no correlation world-wide between gun ownership rate and total homicide rate.
    The image you quoted shows the exact opposite, at least among developed countries.
    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Our problem is poverty, plain and simple. If it weren't, homicide rates would follow the guns and not the poverty. The inner city in many cities isn't dangerous because of the number of guns, it's dangerous because of the immense poverty and desperation people live in.
    I'm more than happy to reduce poverty too.
    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Many people want to take a complex, human problem and try to oversimplify it into blaming inanimate objects. It completely ignores the entire context of the situation and cherry picks to fit a predetermined goal. Having a gun does not make you want to commit crime, being unable to put food on your family's table does.
    Having a gun enhances your ability to commit a crime. The same way we have laws against drug paraphernalia or lock picking tools, guns -- handguns especially -- are tools to commit acts of violence against another citizen.

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I admit, I have never heard of this group and I have been involved, intensely, in the opposition to gun banners for almost 40 years. I also note that a few years ago, a group known as the American Hunters and Shooters Association, was founded by democrat activists and pretended to be pro gun, when in reality it was another gun banning front run by people who had worked for the Brady thugs.

    But I will review this group. I do note that Former Ohio Governor Ted Strickland-as a freshman congressman in 1994, voted against the clinton gun ban while the man who later beat him in his re-election bid for governor-John Kasich, Caved in to Clinton and reversed his vote against the gun ban, allowing it to pass. and for years, John Dingell (D-Mich) was one of the strongest pro rights congressman in the country. But I also note that its the DNC that pushes every major attack on our 2A rights
    Well, if you wish to frame responsibility with "attack" I would point out that Chris Christi is in the GOP, I notice you didn't comment on that part of my post. Btw, not politicians, just individuals, do you really not know democrats that support our 2nd amendment? I've been in the deer woulds a lot the last couple of weeks, every bodies getting things ready for season here. Cleaning cabins, checking buck scrapes, feeders, tracks etc. Around the fire at deer camp, there's always lively political discussions, and there's plenty of lefties in the woods. While I disagree with people that advocate certain restrictions and bans, and I mean individuals, advocacy groups, etc., not politicians, I truly don't believe it has anything to do with tyranny. But rather people genuinely frustrated over the Aurora's and Sandy Hooks, and think that less or no guns is the answer to those problems. But I don't think they are evil, wicked, tyrants or against the people's Bill of Rights.

    Guys like you and I see it differently. Put another way, it's not unlike the numbers of Americans willing to sacrifice certain liberties to be secure from terrorism. Despite the fact that more Americans have died from bee stings and lightning strikes then terrorist attacks, things like the Patriot Act and the NDAA find passage due to people's fear.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Illegally possessed handguns are guns that were once legally possessed. Reducing access to legal guns reduces access to illegal guns.
    Why would we want to reduce access to "legal" anything. Btw, do you think that the police and military should have guns?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    The image you quoted shows the exact opposite, at least among developed countries.

    I'm more than happy to reduce poverty too.

    Having a gun enhances your ability to commit a crime. The same way we have laws against drug paraphernalia or lock picking tools, guns -- handguns especially -- are tools to commit acts of violence against another citizen.
    The bolded! Sometimes yes, and sometimes, they're used to prevent crimes. There is no end in sight to a list one could compile of things, inanimate objects that have both good and evil uses. Should they all be restricted or banned.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I'm happy to adopt a system more like the UK. Less guns means less gun deaths.
    IOW, you wouldn't just support amending the 2nd amendment, but expunging it from the Bill of Rights?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    If it's so twistable, it's not clear. It's only clear to you because you have decided what you want it to mean... no different than those on the other side.
    Wrong. I can twist pretty much anything into a dirty minded sex joke if I wanted, including what you said here. Doesn't mean that what you said here isn't clear. (and no, i'm not going to demonstrate, wrong thread for such) If I can twist such for fun, people can certainly purposely twist anything that they want in order to push an agenda.
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