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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    prove that it is strictly the amount of fire arms in our nation causing this issue.
    That's a nearly impossible task, just as proving the inverse would be. We're both in a position of being forced to work with correlation rather than causation for support of our respective views.

    I do know that zero guns would bring the gun homicide rate down to zero. You can't argue the opposite, and that our gun ownership rates and homicide rates are much higher than the rest of our developed nation equivalents.


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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Telling a gun fetishist that there will be a cap on their magazine volume is like telling an alcoholic that they are on a two drink limit.
    When too much still ain't enough any restriction sounds like the end of the ****ing world.

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    [QUOTE=Unrepresented;1063845823]That's a nearly impossible task, just as proving the inverse would be. We're both in a position of being forced to work with correlation rather than causation for support of our respective views.

    I do know that zero guns would bring the gun homicide rate down to zero. You can't argue the opposite, and that our gun ownership rates and homicide rates are much higher than the rest of our developed nation equivalents.[QUOTE]Zero guns isn't possible.

    And if it's a correlation issue, I would much rather keep the guns. Until you can do better than correlation, you aren't going to get any where with me.

    Restricting ownership likely won't go any good. However there are far more reasons to keep them.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Telling a gun fetishist that there will be a cap on their magazine volume is like telling an alcoholic that they are on a two drink limit.
    When too much still ain't enough any restriction sounds like the end of the ****ing world.
    Until Somebody can give a good reason for a lower magazine capacity, there isn't really any argument.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    That's a nearly impossible task, just as proving the inverse would be. We're both in a position of being forced to work with correlation rather than causation for support of our respective views.

    I do know that zero guns would bring the gun homicide rate down to zero. You can't argue the opposite, and that our gun ownership rates and homicide rates are much higher than the rest of our developed nation equivalents.

    There is no correlation world-wide between gun ownership rate and total homicide rate. Our problem is poverty, plain and simple. If it weren't, homicide rates would follow the guns and not the poverty. The inner city in many cities isn't dangerous because of the number of guns, it's dangerous because of the immense poverty and desperation people live in.

    Many people want to take a complex, human problem and try to oversimplify it into blaming inanimate objects. It completely ignores the entire context of the situation and cherry picks to fit a predetermined goal. Having a gun does not make you want to commit crime, being unable to put food on your family's table does.

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Telling a gun fetishist that there will be a cap on their magazine volume is like telling an alcoholic that they are on a two drink limit.
    When too much still ain't enough any restriction sounds like the end of the ****ing world.
    I think you're being purposely obtuse to bait someone into yelling at you. Do you honestly think that a magazine cap is going to reduce the homicide rate? What do you think is more responsible for our above average homicide rate? Our above average gun ownership levels? Or our above average poverty?

    Why do homicide rates correlate with poverty but not with gun ownership? Shouldn't the richer white neighborhoods where people can afford lots of guns have substantially more killings?
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Nope. All we need is a Supreme Court who is not a slave to right wing ideology and will not let than determine how they interpret it. And elections and time will take care of that.
    There is nothing to interpret, it is as plain as day. The left only puts on a charade of "interpretation" to advance their tyrannical ideology.

    If you don't like the 2A, why not change it Constitutionally? Why does the left always run to an activist court to get their way? Even when you lose at the ballot box.

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    No, the red herring is you not being able to read and interpret the language. There are clubs for people with .50s. I was at a range where a guy had a home made semi auto .50. Why does someone need a .50? And under the gun nut banner; that and carrying around a weapon supercedes the general public's desire for a safer society.

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    The language of the second amendment is arcane and if it were to be changed the language could be cleaned up so that everyone can plainly understand that owning firearms is an absolute right which is granted to us by our bill of rights.
    But it is not a right "granted" to us. It is an inherent right which is affirmed by the BOR.

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    There is nothing to interpret, it is as plain as day. The left only puts on a charade of "interpretation" to advance their tyrannical ideology.

    If you don't like the 2A, why not change it Constitutionally? Why does the left always run to an activist court to get their way? Even when you lose at the ballot box.
    As long as it agrees with your I suspect.

    It would be difficult to imagine a more activist Court in the area of guns that the current Court.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    But it is not a right "granted" to us. It is an inherent right which is affirmed by the BOR.
    So where do we find this inherent right before state and national constitutions other than a self imposed willful belief inside somebodys head?
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