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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Not one thing you said there answers the question which is fundamental to your assertion about natural rights: But you really do not care about that--- you bringing up what has already been dealt with is only a sign of desperation to change the subject.

    Can you explain to me how a citizen can exercise and actually employ a RIGHT which exists only in the belief system of another individual?
    why can't you apply the same standard of interpretation to the Sec 8 clauses that you apply to the 2 A?

    the 2A incorporates a right the founders all agreed existed. so when we INTERPRET the 2A we look to what the founders thought. And it was right unfettered by a federal government of SPECIFIC AND LIMITED POWERS

    see how that works. Its easy when you actually frame the question honestly.

    so what the founders DESIRED TO RECOGNIZE is based on what they believed in

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    why can't you apply the same standard of interpretation to the Sec 8 clauses that you apply to the 2 A?
    I always have.



    the 2A incorporates a right the founders all agreed existed
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    you left off the words .... existed in their own imaginations.


    so when we INTERPRET the 2A we look to what the founders thought.
    I am sure the naive and gullible put more emphasis on supposed beliefs than on actions. But perhaps you are familiar with the wisdom ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS?


    so what the founders DESIRED TO RECOGNIZE is based on what they believed in
    They were liars and hypocrites who did not even believe the crap they said they believed in. Why any gullible person would allow themselves to be played like that is a mystery.

    Its easy when you actually frame the question honestly.
    Your refusal to answer a simple question tells me that I have framed the question perfectly.

    Can you explain to me how a citizen can exercise and actually employ a RIGHT which exists only in the belief system of another individual?

    Think about it over night - its slumberland for me.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I always have.



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    you left off the words .... existed in their own imaginations.




    I am sure the naive and gullible put more emphasis on supposed beliefs than on actions. But perhaps you are familiar with the wisdom ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS?




    They were liars and hypocrites who did not even believe the crap they said they believed in. Why any gullible person would allow themselves to be played like that is a mystery.

    Can you explain to me how a citizen can exercise and actually employ a RIGHT which exists only in the belief system of another individual?
    what nonsense-you read the 2A to say because infringements are not mentioned, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED does not prevent them but where is gun control power listed in any of Sec 8

    this denial is a classic example of IF YOU ARE GOING TO LIE YOU MIGHT AS WELL TELL A BIG ONE

    and claiming you don't change your standards for interpreting the words of the founders is a BIG WHOPPER



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by mdw99 View Post
    I am from Scotland and doing a modern studies assignment at school on the second amendment of the US constitution and would like to gather views from US citizens.
    Could you tell me if you think the second amendment needs to be changed or not and give reasons why.
    Many thanks

    No but the 14th amendment does.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    No but the 14th does
    I don't think the OP has been back. I sure don't recall any follow up posts from him



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I don't think the OP has been back. I sure don't recall any follow up posts from him
    Well in his defense it has been a long thread.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Well in his defense it has been a long thread.
    you'd think he would have stuck around

    he did this on another forum too



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what nonsense-you read the 2A to say because infringements are not mentioned, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED does not prevent them but where is gun control power listed in any of Sec 8
    The same places it was the first fifty times I pointed it out to you.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The same places it was the first fifty times I pointed it out to you.
    I don't see any of the language there that you pretend exists



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I don't see any of the language there that you pretend exists
    I suspect you know the language as I presented it many times. We simply see it differently. And that is fine.
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