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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    I think someone's inner child got a great big owey because of Heller. That mean man Scalia made him feel all icky, and he can't do anything about it. So he jumps up and down and screams and makes up fibs about the Constitution--but no one listens to him.
    thank you for revealing you previous attempts at any sort of actual intellectual exchange were just a sham and when push comes to shove you resort to this sort of childishness.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    So its ignorance of history?

    The strange birth of NY

    The Criminal Steering of Gun Control | Buckeye Firearms Association


    n 1911, Sullivan's constituents, (Irish and Jewish mobsters who put him into office), shared a growing problem with him. Immigrant Italian mafia members were horning in on what had once been their exclusive area of criminal operations. Commercial travelers passing through the district would be relieved of their valuables by armed robbers. Naturally, in order to protect themselves and their property, honest travelers began to arm themselves. Gunfights in what was to become Little Italy became more frequent. This both raised the criminal's risk while conducting armed robbery, and reduced the gang's profit. Sullivan's criminal constituents then "lobbied" Sullivan to introduce a law prohibiting concealed carry of pistols in order to reduce the risk to his criminal constituents while robbing honest people. That Sullivan was successful in passing a law disarming honest citizens so as to aid and abet other criminals is well documented. -


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    n 1911, the Irish and Jewish mobsters who put him into office faced a growing problem -- the Italians. Immigrant mafiosi newly arrived from Sicily and Naples were horning in on what had once been their exclusive domain. Gunfights on the Lower East Side and the neighborhood around Mulberry Street that was to become Little Italy grew more and more frequent, and it was getting so that you couldn't even shake down a barber shop or a greengrocer without some guy fresh off the boat taking a shot at you.

    Not to worry, Big Tim told the boys. And in 1911, he took care of the problem.

    The Sullivan Act was passed into law in New York state in 1911 and remains Big Tim's primary legacy. It effectively banned most people from owning and, especially, carrying handguns. Under the onerous conditions of the corrupted law, a peaceable citizen of sound mind could apply for a pistol permit, but if any of a number of elected or appointed officials objected to its issuance, he or she could be denied the license. The law remains in effect to this day and has been used as the basis for gun laws in many other states and municipalities.
    Yeah; you're telling the same story multilpe times. From The New York Post:

    The strange birth of NY

    This was the heyday of the pre-Prohibition gangs, roving bands of violent toughs who terrorized ethnic neighborhoods and often fought pitched battles with police. In 1903, the Battle of Rivington Street pitted a Jewish gang, the Eastmans, against the Italian Five Pointers. When the cops showed up, the two underworld armies joined forces and blasted away, resulting in three deaths and scores of injuries. The public was clamoring for action against the gangs.
    And as we see again: the law was designed around public demand... This is what I've been saying to you over and over again. The proof I showed you from the ATF proper said the very same thing and now your own source says it too! The Niagra Falls story is just an opinion piece based on the same type of paranoia that your posts suffer from.

    Your barking into an empty alley dude.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Yeah; you're telling the same story multilpe times. From The New York Post:

    The strange birth of NY



    And as we see again: the law was designed around public demand... This is what I've been saying to you over and over again. The proof I showed you from the ATF proper said the very same thing and now your own source says it too! The Niagra Falls story is just an opinion piece based on the same type of paranoia that your posts suffer from.

    Your barking into an empty alley dude.
    crooks passed the sullivan law to protect their ethnic based mobs from other ethinc groups

    I love you talking about paranoia--I am not the one who is losing bodily function control over others being armed



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You did NOT answer my question. In fact - you did the opposite since you are using the example of a right that is in the Bill of Rights and the law of the land. I do not know why you would do that and think you could get away with it - but you did just the same.

    So lets try this again: can you explain to me how a citizen can exercise and actually employ a RIGHT which exists only in the belief system of another individual?
    Given your refusal to honestly answer most of the questions put to you, I really don't give a tinker's dam about your questions but its an easy answer.

    Your question is a complete fail because you think it only EXISTS in the belief system of other individuals. When you figure out the proper question, I might answer it further



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    I think someone's inner child got a great big owey because of Heller. That mean man Scalia made him feel all icky, and he can't do anything about it. So he jumps up and down and screams and makes up fibs about the Constitution--but no one listens to him.
    I don't know what these haters of gun owners would do if the supreme court actually did the right thing and say-NO THE COMMERCE CLAUSE cannot be used to create a federal power of gun regulation. Probably commit mass suicide figuring its better than being tried for the treasonous nonsense they have foisted on this nation for 80 years



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    thank you for revealing you previous attempts at any sort of actual intellectual exchange were just a sham and when push comes to shove you resort to this sort of childishness.



    I think this comment hit the Irony trifecta after the claim that "shall not be infringed" was intended to allow infringements



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    crooks passed the sullivan law to protect their ethnic based mobs from other ethinc groups

    I love you talking about paranoia--I am not the one who is losing bodily function control over others being armed
    The law was entered into and passed because of public demand. What the crooks did with it afterward means nothing to the point. It's the same point today as it was over 100 years ago: the public demands safer streets, so laws and regulations are passed to try and ensure that.

    At the historical point of the 2nd Amendment, the new country had just beat an opppresive government, who for at least 700 years had been taking their weapons away from them. That has not nor can it happen in today's US.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    The law was entered into and passed because of public demand. What the crooks did with it afterward means nothing to the point. It's the same point today as it was over 100 years ago: the public demands safer streets, so laws and regulations are passed to try and ensure that.

    At the historical point of the 2nd Amendment, the new country had just beat an opppresive government, who for at least 700 years had been taking their weapons away from them. That has not nor can it happen in today's US.
    Some statists are so gullible. The thugs created the demand and then pandered to the sheeple to disarm the public. Only MORONS think such laws make the streets safer.



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Some statists are so gullible. The thugs created the demand and then pandered to the sheeple to disarm the public. Only MORONS think such laws make the streets safer.
    (chuckle)

    You came at me with what you thought was proof of an assertion about the truth behind gun laws..."ooooohhhh". Then I showed you how your own source betrayed you yet again! Let's not forget; since we're talking history, that in 1879 Tombstone Arizona, Wyatt Erp and the mayor created an ordinance that would not allow a gun to be carried in town, because of all the shoot outs. So, you see? It's always about the very same thing: safer streets.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    (chuckle)

    You came at me with what you thought was proof of an assertion about the truth behind gun laws..."ooooohhhh". Then I showed you how your own source betrayed you yet again! Let's not forget; since we're talking history, that in 1879 Tombstone Arizona, Wyatt Erp and the mayor created an ordinance that would not allow a gun to be carried in town, because of all the shoot outs. So, you see? It's always about the very same thing: safer streets.
    Earp and his gang didn't want competition. But it wasn't a law like the Sullivan Act

    gun control generally is passed to protect assholes and criminals.



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