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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    blaming the audience here is pretty pathetic

    I stand by what I said

    I reject your dishonest and clearly bogus interpretation of what you claim I MEANT
    I did not blame anybody for your words. Those are your own fault. What I did was shoot down the credibility of your suggested bogus poll by pointing out the obvious.

    haven't you figured it out yet. I could not care less what you claim you MEANT. I go by what you wrote... what you said ... what you put in print right here. What you claim you meant is after the fact trying to save face and is worthless.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I voted NO on this poll Turtle. My post 234 proves that. If you are confused - that is not my problem.
    Its an anonymous poll. and So what-you believe that the 2A as written allows all sorts of encroachments and that is what the founders intended



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I did not blame anybody for your words. Those are your own fault. What I did was shoot down the credibility of your suggested bogus poll by pointing out the obvious.

    haven't you figured it out yet. I could not care less what you claim you MEANT. I go by what you wrote... what you said ... what you put in print right here. What you claim you meant is after the fact trying to save face and is worthless.
    we will see if anyone else agrees with that silly claim

    but we know others have found that the claim that the founders intended "shall not be infringed" to allow infringements is really contrary to all known logic and reality



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Its an anonymous poll. and So what-you believe that the 2A as written allows all sorts of encroachments and that is what the founders intended
    My post 234 puts me on record as voting NO. Here it is for you but feel free to go back and look at 234 for yourself:

    Nope. All we need is a Supreme Court who is not a slave to right wing ideology and will not let than determine how they interpret it. And elections and time will take care of that.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    we will see if anyone else agrees with that silly claim

    but we know others have found that the claim that the founders intended "shall not be infringed" to allow infringements is really contrary to all known logic and reality
    A poll does not determine factual truth. And all the Argumentum ad Populum fallacy in the world does not change that.

    But please Turtle - take your poll - word hard through PM's to organize it and produce the result you want on a right libertarian leaning website where opinion about guns is carefully manipulated and controlled to come out just the way you want it.

    You going through all that just to try to save face after you yourself cut it off will be worth it just to watch for the entertainment value and the fact that the ruse proves me correct.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    My post 234 puts me on record as voting NO. Here it is for you but feel free to go back and look at 234 for yourself:
    that assumes you did. we have no way of verifying that

    what counts is not whether you think the language should be changed but rather what you claim the language means

    and we ave demonstrated that your interpretation of what the 2A protects is extremely narrow and limited

    Ted Kennedy and Orrin hatch both signed off on a senate position paper that said the 2A recognizes an individual RKBA

    Hatch has opposed every federal gun law proposal that has come up while he has been in the senate

    Kennedy was a major supporter on every restriction on our rights

    so obviously those two weren't supporting the same INTERPRETATION



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that assumes you did. we have no way of verifying that
    Its right there in 234 for you. I have NEVER taken the position that the Second Amendment should be amended.

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Its right there in 234 for you.
    Yes that is what you said.



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Its right there in 234 for you. I have NEVER taken the position that the Second Amendment should be amended.

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    And if you have some evidence to the contrary, just present it.
    of course not-why amend it when you can pretend that it was designed to protect almost nothing

    Banning the standard infantry weapon for civilians

    preventing citizens from having civilian police weapons

    magazine limits-maybe down to 3-4 rounds

    registration

    are all clear violations of the 2A as it was written that you claim are not unconstitutional

    why hassle with an amendment when anti gun activists pretend the 2A means nothing?



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    of course not-why amend it when you can pretend that it was designed to protect almost nothing

    Banning the standard infantry weapon for civilians

    preventing citizens from having civilian police weapons

    magazine limits-maybe down to 3-4 rounds

    registration

    are all clear violations of the 2A as it was written that you claim are not unconstitutional

    why hassle with an amendment when anti gun activists pretend the 2A means nothing?
    All that stuff is from your own fears and over active imagination. Infantry weapons... police weapons ..... you and I are neither Turtle.
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